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Old 04-26-2008, 09:47 PM   #1
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- China Moto-Expo Report and Video - NX250 engine is back!

Hey guys, been doing some work on the Moto sceene in China and thought some of ya'llz might be interested in seeing (and hearing) what's going on. Although not all strictly enduro bikes, they are all thumpers and has some interesting developments in the enduro/motorcross world.

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Chongqing, a major industrial city located inland on the Yang Tze River, recently held it’s 7th annual CIMTE (Chinese Industrial Motorcycle Trade Expo). Given its importance to the motorcycle industry and proximity to my home in Chengdu, I was excited to visit the check out the latest news and an opportunity to tour three of China’s largest manufacturers’ motorcycle plants.

Although not considered a major event as moto-expos go, many important names in the motorcycle industry displayed their goods, including scooters, sport bikes, dual-sports, motor cross and ATV’s. As most motorcycle conventions would have it, many of these fine curvaceous bikes were accompanied by fine curvaceous women! Let’s take a snapshot look at some of the offerings found at this year’s CIMTE.

Shineray

The most exciting of the new products introduced at CIMTE came from Shineray’s new 2008 line-up including the XY250GY and XY200GY-7.

- The new XY2050GY -


One of the more creative displays at the expo, Shineray offered an assembled and fully exploded view of the 250GY to let attendees take a deeper look into the machine. This is a welcome sight and hints at some confidence in their products as well as some thoughtfulness to more progressive marketing and presentation styles.

- XY250GY exploded view -


The XG250GY sports many of the features previously thought missing on Chinese motorcycles and satisfies some of the North American demands such as a more advanced engine with more robust braking and suspension components.

In the braking department, the XG250’s front and rear disc are becoming more and more common on Chinese motorcycles but the front and rear suspension has been race developed and tested through Shineray’s International Motorcross team which now competes in Europe. (????)

- Single piston rear brake with stock braided stainless line -


- Swingarm and shock assembly -


The most exciting news about the bike however takes place at its heart. Rumor has it, Shineray has used a Honda AX-1 (NX250) based engine giving the 250GY a DOHC, four-valve, high-compression, water-cooled power plant with a 6-speed gear box. As a rider of an AX-1 in the past, if the performance of this engine is anything like the original Honda, we should all welcome the ability to cruise comfortably at highway speeds thanks to an added over-drive gear and still be light enough to kick-up some fun after the pavement ends. Hopefully more official details will follow on this soon.

- NX250 owners look closely! -


- Exploded engine view -



If you’re into long distance trail or adventure riding, Shineray also offered up its XY200GY-7 sporting a less complicated 200cc Honda based engine.

- Shineray XY200GY-7 -




To make the long hauls more comfortable, they’ve equipped the GY-7 with a long, broad flat seat, F/R disc brakes, with large built-in front and rear racks complete with saddle bag stand-offs. Last, but certainly not least, is the almost five gallon fuel tank which should keep the bike running longer than most would probably like to be in the saddle.

- Built for the looong haul -


Stay tuned for future posts as we take a short trip to the Shineray factory!

- Shineray factory tour -


While Shineray focuses almost entirely on the off-road market segment, others chose a more street oriented product line-up dealing with scooters and innovative street-standards. One of the most eye-catching (good or bad) in this category was from the Jonway company

Jonway


Jonway offers no off-road models but does manufacture a strong line up of street rides with a clear concentration on what looked and felt like well assembled scooters from the 125 to 250cc range.

- Modern design with decent fit and finish : 250T-2A scooter -


The most interesting of their offerings and clearly BMW stylized was their YY250 which drew some attention from both Chinese and foreigners alike. Much to their credit, the risk they’re taking on the styling is bold but for a low output 250cc, I wondered if the body, plastics and metals wouldn’t prove too much weight for the engine. Low quality plastics and thin panel metal left much to be desired in the tactile department.

- YY250 drawing some looks from South American importers -


- YY250 side view -


- Gauges are trendy looking but small and poorly placed -


Jialing

Continuing in the original styling department, Jialing’s highlight of the show was their venerable JH600 “BMW killer”. In the Chinese motorcycle industry, this designed and built from scratch motorcycle represents the boldest move taken in the Chinese motorcycle market to date. Manufacturing larger engines in China is not currently profitable and requires a great risk of resources.

-JH600 civilian blue -


The 600cc single cylinder is Bosch fuel injected and comes in a fantastic side-car variant (B designation), which can be bought privately but is mostly for military use.

- Army drab green with sidecar -




Except ATV’s, Jialing offers a full line of vehicles from scooter to dual-sports and, as I was told, plans to re-enter the North American market by 2009 under a name other than Viva. Let’s hope to see some improvements from this manufacturing giant!

XGJao

Also offering a well rounded line up is XGJao who brought out their F5 model. While only sporting a 150cc engine the F5 scored some points in the style department; the hard edgy lines, like those found on the Suzuki SV series combined nicely with popular, up to date paint colors and schemes.

- The new F5 150cc sport standard -


Complementing their street line with a slightly larger 200cc engine, we have the XGT-200GY-6. Slightly smaller and rounded plastics fit well with the plastic tank but didn’t offer anything particularly exciting to look at.

- XGT200GY-6 in deep orange and grey color schemes-


- On-board view with uninspiring instrument panel and switches -



Hyosung

Even though the current XG’s aren’t much to look at their neighboring display brought in some products from a little outside China.

Korean manufacturer Hyosung, imported by the YinXiang group, covered all types of motorcycles with more aggressive styling and detailed finishing in almost every way imaginable.

Not living in North America, I’ve never had a chance to see a Hyosung in person and was pleased with their level of quality and attention to detail. While not quite up to the “Big-Four” Japanese standards, were quite close and fit nicely between currently available products from China and Japan.

- Comet - SV650 “Bike-alike” -


- Mirage - Harley V-Rod inspired style -


- HS200GY – Dirt bike -


- Quarterback II – ATV -


- Maxxam 150R - Side by Side -



QingQi

With all this going on inside, outside QingQi motor corpany had a test ride area with a small sample of their most popular bikes. QingQi hired a your “Extreme Sports” stunt rider to demonstrate some of the capabilities of their bikes which included wheelies and doughnut burn-outs.

-Stunt-a-doodle with the 200GY super motard-


- Even the girls got in on the fun! (No ATTGATT here…) -



A note on the ATV line:

JianShe offered an interesting line-up of ATVs from 250 to 400cc’s including one which comes outfitted with emergency fire rescue gear.

- JS250-5 Firefighting ATV -


- 400cc “Mountain Lion” -



Final Thoughts

I would love to have reported an endless stream of new and exciting products at the 2008 CIMTE, but we simply aren’t quite there yet. The Chinese motorcycle industry is in its infancy and currently working hard to figure out how it can best fit into the world market. Sales in developing countries and inside China now account for the lion-share of their business. Rightly so, this imbalance absorbs most of their attention and in order for their products to reach and have larger impact on the shores of North America and Western Europe much work needs to be done on both the manufacturing and consumer side of the table.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:01 PM   #2
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NX250 engine Shineray XY250GY?

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Old 04-26-2008, 10:04 PM   #3
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Yeah I had a couple AX-1's and know how awesome those engines are! I'm not really sure why honda stoppped using and developing them. It just needs to be put in a more modern updated body and plastics and WOW! What a great all-rounder bike that would be! Everything from commuting to trail riding...primo!

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Old 04-26-2008, 10:04 PM   #4
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That Shineray XY200GY-7 looks like it'd be a great rig for adventuring. Good stuff, CC.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:10 PM   #5
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Check out the video to lern more about the GY-7 and see the 250XY run around Shineray's motox track.

These do look like promising products as long as they're supported correctly.

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Old 04-26-2008, 10:23 PM   #6
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Thanks for the post. I've spent little time in China but am fascinated by it all. Its a big advantage for them coming on line when there is so much technology already available. It won't take long for them to have the quality figured out. I have mixed emotions about buying "non traditional" Chinese goods but haven't owned or been able to own a domestic bike since my Can Am in the early 80's.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:33 PM   #7
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I would love to see some competetitive domestically made products as well but for some reason it seems to be difficult to get one going. Victory is doing a good job and taking some risks with their new ultra mega cruiser but not much to be found in the smaller displacement category.

Cost of labor is too high I guess?

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Old 05-02-2008, 07:18 AM   #8
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XY250GY ...

Nice cheap made toy .

1) No name brake pumps . ( Will you ever bet your life to them ? )

2) Rear brake tube, only a part of it , its made by expensive tube, the rest is other stuff.

3) The engine looks to be as Honda design, but is well known , that China does not have the technology to " harder the metals. "

4) If this model, be ever accepted to Europe , then i will investigate more about it.

The NX 250 by the laws of Europe , officially called as product with almost ended period of circulation .
Officially in Germany , even the latest in production models 1990-94 , had an official date of termination, the year 2010.

In Greece, this law is not active , but i do not know for how long, it will be that way.


And the best part for the end ... Did you see the video ... i am talking for the rear suspension, that destroyed at the Press presentation .
My old Showa , kept be alive for 18 years.

Nice try .. no sweet .

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1) No name brake pumps . ( Will you ever bet your life to them ? )
Sure I would. I have been and still do. Millions of riders do everyday carrying their whole families and livelyhoods on them. You expecting Brembo calipers on a 2,000usd bike?

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2) Rear brake tube, only a part of it , its made by expensive tube, the rest is other stuff.
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You mean the stainless steel lines? Yeah I saw that, it could be a tube change or simply a tube cover. Wouldn't really makes sense to switch material in lines as it's not like the stainless sets are very expensive when manufactured in massive quantity.

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3) The engine looks to be as Honda design, but is well known , that China does not have the technology to " harder the metals. "
You better not mention this to BMW because they just opened a factory in ChongQing!

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4) If this model, be ever accepted to Europe , then i will investigate more about it.
It may be sooner than you think. They seem more focused on europe than NA at first.

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And the best part for the end ... Did you see the video ... i am talking for the rear suspension, that destroyed at the Press presentation . My old Showa , kept be alive for 18 years.
Wow! You motorcrossed on a single Showa for 18 years and never had a problem with it? I love the AX-1 but the rear suspension from the factory was weeek.

Problem at the "press presentation" was more a matter of lackluster showmanship. If they said: "We'll have a new one in there in 15 minutes"...now that would be nice.

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It's easy to compare these Chinese bikes to Japanese or European bikes and find things that are lacking. But what is more telling is when you look at Chinese motorcycles from 2,3 or 4 years ago and compare those to the new ones. At the rate they are improving I suspect Chinese made motorcycles will be just as desirable as anything from Japan within just a few short years, at least in the small displacement market.
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this one looks familiar



BMW F650CS

even the gauge cluster is a poor copy..
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That Shineray XY200GY-7 looks like it'd be a great rig for adventuring. Good stuff, CC.
There are 2 ride reports using it in the RR forum by an american guy living in china.
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even the gauge cluster is a poor copy..
But it cost about 1/3 or less than BMW
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And I'm sure you get 1/3 the quality.
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And I'm sure you get 1/3 the quality.
Bmw is starting to produce there. Is the quality poor now ? Want a brand new Buick? Take a walk around the big cities over there and a look at the technology and how modern they are. T.V. shows what the sponsers want to show. Not that I'm humping China's or any other countries leg but it is not like they are waiting around for us. Woud I buy another Can Am if they started making bikes again? Being built in Canada was one of the things I liked about mine. What over seas country should we support and why? Not being argumentive, just curious. It really is a global community now.
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