Synthetic Oil - View Point - Page 3

Rod · 12-17-2001, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Chopperman
Screw it. just put oil in the bloody thing and change it often. good gawd.

AAAAR Chopperman very good point,but........which Oil ? that is the answer

I always use dino oil Rod

stevenknapp · 12-17-2001, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Rod

AAAAR Chopperman very good point,but........which Oil ? that is the answer

An how often!?! :):

Chopperman · 12-17-2001, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by Rod

AAAAR Chopperman very good point,but........which Oil ? that is the answer

I always use dino oil Rod

to use the same line of thought....any oil is better than no oil.

Chopperman · 12-17-2001, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by stevenknapp

An how often!?! :):

cheap dino oil changed every 1500-2000 miles is better than $15 /oz hyperspectrosynspermgsxyz with palmaid changed annualy

Rod · 12-17-2001, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by stevenknapp

An how often!?! :):

Dump oil EVERY 5000K's and replace filter at same time

use Penziol 20w\50

Rod

Chopperman · 12-17-2001, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Rod

Dump oil EVERY 5000K's and replace filter at same time

use Penziol 20w\50

Rod

sorry man. I won't use Penn. I've seen whatbthat stuff does to an air cooled vokswagen head. You could have stuck a wick in it.

Rod · 12-17-2001, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by Chopperman

sorry man. I won't use Penn. I've seen whatbthat stuff does to an air cooled vokswagen head. You could have stuck a wick in it.

no need to be sorry

3 BeeMeers and 400,000K's and no worries

so what can I say

Rod

Chopperman · 12-17-2001, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Rod

no need to be sorry

3 BeeMeers and 400,000K's and no worries

so what can I say

Rod

hey man, like I walways say...it's you bike do what you want.
I sure did hate diggin enough wax out of that head to make a fruit bowl

stevenknapp · 12-17-2001, 03:44 PM

I did ask that only to start trouble! :):

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Originally posted by Chopperman
cheap dino oil changed every 1500-2000 miles is better than $15 /oz hyperspectrosynspermgsxyz with palmaid changed annualy

Sez who? You?

Seems like a pretty broad statement given ya don't know how the engine is used, heck, even what engine it is!

I'll buy 6k since that's what BMW decided on...more often hurts nothing but your pocketbook and perhaps the planet (I'm not sure I buy that).

And as far as what oil, your single air cooled VW example sure beats the SAE/API tests.

Let's face it, we all want to play lube engineer. But I'd guess none of us are really qualified, nor do we have the time for the data. So we base things on what we hear, what expirence we have. Chopperman had a bad penzoil expirence, he won't be using that. He feels better changing his oil more often. Cool, fine, whatever. Honestly I really doubt you're going to harm the thing that bad unless you forget to refill it or never change it.

An expirence to share..a tangent if you will..

..as part of my job I was required to take an "intro to IC engines" class. *yawn* right? Nope. Taught by a really sharp guy (Prof a UMich) who went into great detail about what research was taking place and some insight into the longer term future of this stuff.

I got the extra bonus of having a self proclaimed gearhead in the class always asking questions about this or that aftermarket gaget. "How can I get my Chevelle to pass emissions?" "What about platinum plugs?"..and we would get a long enginerd/scientist description of spark igintion, what exactly happens in detail, what isn't up to snuff, what the OEMs have done to fix it...blah blah blah... In most any case the conclusion this guy brought us all to was that the OEM (modern shit here) did a good job of engineering. The aftermarket was selling snake oil.

At times ya almost felt bad for the OEM. Tons of engineering, research, and test. They safely proclaim 100k life spark plugs. Then Mr. Gearhead says "aww..come on, thats marketing BS, EVERYBODY knows plugs don't last that long".

I dunno, I honestly found it sorta funny. I'm weird that way.

Chopperman · 12-17-2001, 04:51 PM

My only point is that the oil thing has become such an internet wide circle-jerk, I (and many other people) no longer give a shit.

any oil is better than no oil. frequent changes. that's all I need to know.

and Steve I SAID pennzoil "was not for me". I did NOT say "you vill not be usink zee penzzzzoil in zee bogxcerrrr motorrrrr, Odorvise you vill be shpanked on zee po-po!"

I have my own recycling plan.
bottle -> bike -> Truck -> Mower -> recycle

Marc · 12-17-2001, 04:58 PM

I've "kept clam" on this subject for a while and read everyone's opinion - so here's mine.

Take the mfg's recommended oil-change interval and divide by two. Get good quality dino oil on sale at Wally World (or similar) that meets spec. Don't go cheap on the filter. Other maintenance as recommended (valve adjustment, etc.). Drive it and enjoy it. And don't think about it too much.

Works great for me.

Marc

stevenknapp · 12-17-2001, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Chopperman
My only point is that the oil thing has become such an internet wide circle-jerk, I (and many other people) no longer give a shit.

Ya implying I care? :): I'm just bored..further proof I need a life..wanted to stir the pot a bit. This group is no fun...I was hoping for some rant about how BMW plans the bike to fail by spec'ing long change intervals. Bean counters...I'm smarter than the dipshit that designed the thing...

I agree with ya, just find it funny, and sorta feel the manufacturers pain at times. Ever written user docs, had a person who knew better fuck everything up by not following them? It's a really annoying discussion you have with that person..."your software does not work" "did you follow the instructions?" "no" "did you...uh...consider maybe reading them?"

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any oil is better than no oil. frequent changes. that's all I need to know.

Taken out of context...nevermind! :):

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and Steve I SAID pennzoil "was not for me". I did NOT say "you vill not be usink zee penzzzzoil in zee bogxcerrrr motorrrrr, Odorvise you vill be shpanked on zee po-po!"

Oh, my bad, I've corrected your score.

freaking RT · 12-17-2001, 05:46 PM

very interesting thread here, doods

Some good info on both sides to mull around in the ole grey matter.

Mobile 1 Synthetic in the car, been great. Synthetic in the bike at the 12k service? yep

Why?

: 1. oil consumption has dropped and the engine seems broken in. 2. Sometimes I just can't do it right at 3k

I'll get a buffer zone if I'm away on the road. 3. IMHO, better oil 4. monitor and adjust, as needed

gonna put synthetic in the tranny, too

Chopperman · 12-17-2001, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by stevenknapp
Ever written user docs, had a person who knew better fuck everything up by not following them? It's a really annoying discussion you have with that person..."your software does not work" "did you follow the instructions?" "no" "did you...uh...consider maybe reading them?"

Actually my job is to *be* that guy. Greatest job in the world. They say "whatever you do... son't push that button!" I get paid to push it.

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Oh, my bad, I've corrected your score.

Whew! I feel so much better.

fish · 12-17-2001, 07:36 PM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Follow the manufacturer's recommendations. At least during the warranty period. If you don't, you may find yourself with an expensive repair that the manufacturer may deny because you didn't follow recommendations. It's happened before and it'll happen again. After the warranty period, nobody will care if you put light sweet crude in your crankcase and change it every 14 years.

IMHO, 6K is a good oil change interval...regardless which oil you use.

12-17-2001, 04:51 PM	#40
Chopperman I am dead Joined: Sep 2001 Oddometer: 27,033	My only point is that the oil thing has become such an internet wide circle-jerk, I (and many other people) no longer give a shit. any oil is better than no oil. frequent changes. that's all I need to know. and Steve I SAID pennzoil "was not for me". I did NOT say "you vill not be usink zee penzzzzoil in zee bogxcerrrr motorrrrr, Odorvise you vill be shpanked on zee po-po!" I have my own recycling plan. bottle -> bike -> Truck -> Mower -> recycle __________________ dead

12-17-2001, 04:58 PM	#41
Marc Just sayin... Joined: Jul 2001 Location: PNW Oddometer: 8,967	I've "kept clam" on this subject for a while and read everyone's opinion - so here's mine. Take the mfg's recommended oil-change interval and divide by two. Get good quality dino oil on sale at Wally World (or similar) that meets spec. Don't go cheap on the filter. Other maintenance as recommended (valve adjustment, etc.). Drive it and enjoy it. And don't think about it too much. Works great for me. Marc __________________ [i]"I mean, really ... when you get right down to it, does a man need anything much more than bacon

12-17-2001, 05:46 PM	#43
freaking RT will golf for food Joined: Nov 2001 Location: just outside Richmond, VA Oddometer: 27,201	ok, it's time to jump in here very interesting thread here, doods Some good info on both sides to mull around in the ole grey matter. Mobile 1 Synthetic in the car, been great. Synthetic in the bike at the 12k service? yep Why?: 1. oil consumption has dropped and the engine seems broken in. 2. Sometimes I just can't do it right at 3k I'll get a buffer zone if I'm away on the road. 3. IMHO, better oil 4. monitor and adjust, as needed gonna put synthetic in the tranny, too __________________ IBA#10787 “We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the constitution.” – Abraham Lincoln "Fathom the odd hypocrisy that Obama wants every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don't have to prove they are citizens". -Anonymous WV VA Good Eats Map

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12-17-2001, 07:36 PM	#45
fish Banned Joined: Jul 2001 Location: Gold Country Oddometer: 47,709	I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Follow the manufacturer's recommendations. At least during the warranty period. If you don't, you may find yourself with an expensive repair that the manufacturer may deny because you didn't follow recommendations. It's happened before and it'll happen again. After the warranty period, nobody will care if you put light sweet crude in your crankcase and change it every 14 years. IMHO, 6K is a good oil change interval...regardless which oil you use.