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Old 10-23-2008, 10:45 AM   #796
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I believe

that this is called "Pleasant Valley"



which is ironic because that's both where we picked up pavement again, and where it started to drizzle.



We crossed into the Grand Canyon National Park,



and it looked like we would make it out to Point Sublime and back before sunset!

Except....



So it's 5:45pm, actually 4:45pm since AZ doesn't do daylight savings. We've done 137 miles. We find out from the ranger that the nearest camping is back 7 miles to DeMotte park in the Kaibab N.F.

We turn around and head there, hoping that we get a spot, and that the rain stops, and all the while I'm doing math in my head... let's see, Sunset is local time 7:30, that gives us almost 3 hours. 14 miles RT to the campground. (plus another 5-10 to the trail head), 20min. to set up the tent and ditch our stuff. Then 18 miles of dirt out to Pt. Sublime and back. If we can average 20mph, and spend no more than 10 minutes watching the sunset...

Then again, if we get a flat or something, or it rains, we're screwed... we won't have our camping gear with us... plus it's already been a long day, and at best we'll be riding the last 10 miles of pavement in the dark...



Nah. Isn't gonna happen. Have to save it for another time. Oh well, what's plan B? We'll just ride out to Point Bright Angel at the North Rim Lodge with the other tourists, and watch the sunset there, and head back to camp (if we get a site) early and enjoy dinner and a campfire.
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Old 10-23-2008, 12:50 PM   #797
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We snag one of the last sites at DeMotte

We buy a couple of bundles of firewood. We pitch the tent. We unload some gear. It isn't raining anymore. We eat some snacks.

"You really wanted to go to Point Sublime, didn't you?"

"Yeah, but it's OK, we'll do it another time. Maybe on Mobius III."

"How long would it take?"

"Couple of hours. We should just go to the North Rim Lodge viewing areas with the other tourists."

"Maybe we could start and see how far we get"

"Really? I was doing the math. I mean, the only way we'd make it all the way out and back is if we totally haul ass."

"OK. Let's get going, then!"

""

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We gear up and ride back to the ranger at the gate.

"How long do you think it'll take us to get out to Point Sublime?"

"Well, we generally tell 4WD trucks to allow about 2-2.5 hours each way. Then you figure 'yer gonna want to stay there for a little... You may be a little faster on those bikes, but I don't think you'll even make it there by dark."

"Hmmm.... still wanna see how far we get?"

"Sure"

"OK, we'll ride, as long as we can make it back to Bright Angel Point before sundown."



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Old 10-23-2008, 01:24 PM   #798
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Like most of these

types of ill-advised endeavors, it started easy,



lured you in with the promise of "hey, we're doing 35mph here... we can get there and back by sunset!"



and then insidiously you get to the point where you say, "Oh my God... how did I get here?"



For that half hour, though... until we turned around, we were flying. I swear, LDF was getting air over rises, throwing up roosts, power sliding corners, ... I couldn't take photos and keep up. It was FUN!.



Finally I ran her down. "STOP!!! We need to turn back." I'm out of breath.

"What???? I think we can make it!"



Well, we've covered 9 of the 18 miles out there. Averaging about 35mph . But that's come at a price, and one of us is going to wipe out if we keep it up. It's just not worth it. I turn my bike around.



"C'mon, let's catch the sunset at Bright Angel. It'll be cool."



"OK... but let the record reflect that it wasn't me who turned us around. "

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What is interesting, is that we agreed to take it easy on the way back and enjoy the sights, which we did, and we still covered those same 9 miles in the opposite direction in the same 30 minutes.





And just as we were getting back to the trail head, the sun poked through the clouds.

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Old 10-23-2008, 01:40 PM   #799
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So we cruise over

to the North Rim Lodge, park,



and do the tourist thing.



And you know,



sometimes that's OK.



we'd worked for this,



it wasn't crowded at all,



we'd had some setbacks during the day,



and still,



at the end of the day,



we managed to find ourselves



here, in a beautiful spot,



(see below to identify the peaks seen above)



safe and sound,



tired, but content,



and totally in love.

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Old 10-23-2008, 01:46 PM   #800
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We are lucky

that's what I was thinking here:



and I felt sublime.



Adventure bunny agreed.



We found someone to take our picture.



and walked back to the bikes.

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Old 10-23-2008, 01:49 PM   #801
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The ride back to camp

was longer and darker and colder than I expected.



We made a campfire, ate our tamales, had some hot cocoa with bourbon, and snuggled up to bed.

Our stats for the day:



Nearly 12 hours boots-on to boots-off.
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Old 10-23-2008, 02:19 PM   #802
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Dr, sprockets are you running? I have run several different ratios, and found none of them to be good for all around ridding. At the moment I am running 13primary and 44 rear. Seems like I lack good highway gears, and sure would like lower gears for more serious off road stuff. Just curious what you found works for you. I'm loving the RR. Wish i would have checked your post while you were in Colorado. We were wandering southern Colorado at about the same time.
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Old 10-23-2008, 02:24 PM   #803
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I love this shot!
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Old 10-23-2008, 03:23 PM   #804
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Dr, sprockets are you running?
Sorry we missed you. I reckon' we'll be back that way at some point.

I've geared both bikes at 15/47. My priority is chain and sprocket longevity. The theory is that for any given chain length, you can calculate the number of revolutions that place the same link on the same tooth for each sprocket, and chain and sprocket wear will increase the more frequently they mesh. Instead, you want wear to be evenly distributed. So even though 14/44 and 15/47 are virtually the same gearing ratio, 15/47 would theoretically maximize chain & sprocket life. I run the rear Supersprox for the same reason.

If anything the gearing ratio is a little tall for the steep single track (of which we do little), and a little short for the interstate (of which we do almost none). Besides longevity, I think it optimizes gas mileage, and the 10-40mph range and flat to moderate grade climbing which constitutes 90% of our riding.

If I were mostly riding in the CO mountains, I'd probably gear down some... maybe 14/47, or 13/44, or even lower. Highway riding will suffer (as if it can get any worse).
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Old 10-23-2008, 03:53 PM   #805
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Not to hijack your thread or anything, but along the same lines of sprockets...

The Supersprox are great sprockets. Just wondering how they are wearing for you?

I have access to order about any sprockets through my vendors, but recently I found Ironman sprockets which are made of chromoly and plated for longer life. The idea behind them is the lighter weight similar to aluminum sprockets but wear like a steel sprocket. Best of all, they have a 1 yr. guarantee...that's right 1 year! They are a little expensive retailing at $110 but I usually sell them around $90-$95 and with that type of guarantee how can you go wrong.

Just thought I'd mention it for future reference in case you haven't heard of them and want to check them out.

Thanks again for sharing your wonderful journey with us. I was laughing so hard during your ad-libbing about the aliens and their tractor beams!
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As long as you're taking questions,Doc, how did you two manage to sit on the DRZ seat all day long,day after day?
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:03 AM   #807
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Kevin: Our Supersprox show minimal wear after close to 3000 miles on Blueberry, and ~1700 mi. on Honeybee. They were ~$80 each, and for $5 more, you can get a lifetime guarantee (be sure to read the fine print ). Ironman would be a comparable alternative. The main advantage of the Ironman ones seems to be in weight, probably more important for racers than us.

RE: "how did you two manage to sit on the DRZ seat all day long,day after day?"

First, we're not sitting all day... probably standing 60-70% of the time. Second, we both have Sweetcheeks on our seats. You can see photos and contact info for Ray Pope who makes & sells them on this thread over on TT.

I'm anticipating a follow-up question which is this: "If it wasn't your asses that limited how far / long you could ride, what was it?"

I'd have to answer that is wasn't actually anything physical. We're both in pretty good shape. Rather, for me anyway, it was mental fatigue. LDF may have a different answer. As the days wore on, even though each day was awesome riding, and at any given moment we were having a blast, it became harder and harder to drag ourselves out of bed, break camp, pack, gear up, and get the wheels rolling by 8am which was our goal. I think for future two-week trips, a mid-trip no-ride day will be a requirement.
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:26 AM   #808
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Please stop working on your Trip Report! I can't finish my Trip Report because I can't stop reading yours!

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Old 10-24-2008, 10:28 AM   #809
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Please stop working on your Trip Report! I can't finish my Trip Report because I can't stop reading yours!
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Hey, no worries, only a couple of more days to go. ... Anyway, what're you complaining about? You're retired! I should be so lucky.
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Day 13: Thurs, Sept. 18 2008

From the North Rim, up to Page for groceries and gas, and down to Sunset Crater.

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