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Old 05-28-2008, 03:58 PM   #16
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Good stuff..............Thanks.
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:36 PM   #17
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You forgot to test with ATF.
since it's mostly like thin motor oil and me and every other chap in the world with an automated chain oiler runs it (scott say that their fluid is basically ATF), that hardly seems important.
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:42 PM   #18
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since it's mostly like thin motor oil and me and every other chap in the world with an automated chain oiler runs it (scott say that their fluid is basically ATF), that hardly seems important.
You could say the same about kerosene since chain manufacturers recommend it for cleaning o-ring chains.

Nevertheless, interesting experiment. Thanks for for sharing the results.
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Old 05-29-2008, 12:06 AM   #19
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You could say the same about kerosene since chain manufacturers recommend it for cleaning o-ring chains.
and the results he had proved why
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:54 AM   #20
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I always used ATF ( Automatic Transmission Fluid ) in my Scottoiler on my Triumph. Stood to reason because ATF is specifically designed to keep rubber
pliable and in good condition inside the transmission.

It did a nice job of keeping the chain very clean.

It is light weight so it also kept the back wheel nice and filty.....
very Macho ....

I do not have a Scottoiler on my current Trumpet ... but I do wipe the chain down with ATF ( and still use some spray on stuff )

Another oiler system may be in cards.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:15 PM   #21
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Excellent work! FINALLY we get some empirical data on this topic.

At home I use kerosene to clean the chain and then a good lube (Bel-Ray Super Clean or the Dupont stuff usually). On the road I substitute kerosene with WD-40. I figure that it's ok once in a while and the WD-40 comes in handy for lots of other uses too.

Long-term testing with some heat applied would be especially interesting.
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:47 PM   #22
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Maybe it's just me, but my interpretation of the problem with WD40 was not that it cause the o-rings to swell. Instead that it's basically a penetrant, and would get past the o-rings and contaminate the captured grease, causing premature wear..



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Old 05-29-2008, 08:58 PM   #23
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Maybe it's just me, but my interpretation of the problem with WD40 was not that it cause the o-rings to swell. Instead that it's basically a penetrant, and would get past the o-rings and contaminate the captured grease, causing premature wear..
Exactly what my honda manual says.

the chain has some small o-ring, lube, o-ring.

if you use wd-40 it will dissolve the lubricant inside the thing. The manual has a big red box about not using penetrating oil on the chain.

Also, the test lacked a Coke sample. Unacceptable!
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Old 05-30-2008, 02:29 PM   #24
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Good study. I would have liked to see what the totals were after 7 days of exposure. After all, anything that gets behind the o-rings is going to stay there.

Also a test of simple-green or other similar cleaners would be cool.

Now if I could just my neighbor to stop using it as his only lube on his non-o-ring dirtbike chains. He sprays that chain off, hoses it down with WD-40 and parks it, ready for the next ride. He wonders why he gets only about 5 months out of a rear sprocket...
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:58 PM   #25
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What about Diesel?

Where does Diesel fit into this equation (since I cannot afford the 5 gallons of kerosene, smallest amount found in my area )? It is another oil and I am told similar to Kerosene. I'm guessing it'll fall in the oil based conclusions. Suzuki anyway says go with Kerosene every 600 miles.
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and the results he had proved why
Sorry, I'm not following your logic.
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Old 06-01-2008, 03:15 PM   #27
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Sorry, I'm not following your logic.
If a manufacturer specifies a chemical as usable, do you think you're going to see a significant effect on the component parts?
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Old 06-02-2008, 12:31 PM   #28
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Where does Diesel fit into this equation (since I cannot afford the 5 gallons of kerosene, smallest amount found in my area )? It is another oil and I am told similar to Kerosene. I'm guessing it'll fall in the oil based conclusions. Suzuki anyway says go with Kerosene every 600 miles.
I have more than once purchased a quart of kerosene at the local ACE in the paint solvent section. Just a thought.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:19 PM   #29
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I have more than once purchased a quart of kerosene at the local ACE in the paint solvent section. Just a thought.
I've also seen it in the camping section at the local Wal-Mart.
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Old 06-02-2008, 01:56 PM   #30
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Exactly what my honda manual says.

the chain has some small o-ring, lube, o-ring.

if you use wd-40 it will dissolve the lubricant inside the thing. The manual has a big red box about not using penetrating oil on the chain.

Also, the test lacked a Coke sample. Unacceptable!
What does that manual say you CAN use?
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