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Old 06-05-2008, 07:56 PM   #46
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I have this can of spray (Maxima Crystal Clear Chain Lube) It has mostly mineral spirits in it. I spray it every couple weeks when I'm done riding while my chain is still warm. If it rains alot, a little more. Yep every couple weeks and thats it. If I lubed my chain every 200 miles I would go nuts worrying about it. I got 6k on it now and it looks like new.
When is a good time to change the chain? Mine has 15k miles and still looks good to me.
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Old 06-05-2008, 10:52 PM   #47
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When is a good time to change the chain? Mine has 15k miles and still looks good to me.
When it's stretched beyond the service limit as specified in your service manual.
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Old 06-09-2008, 12:16 PM   #48
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It is my experience that WD-40 is a terrible chain lube. I get 25k miles using real lube and/or 120wt gear oil from an oiler.

I lost a perfectly good chain in 12k miles. No ammount of WD-40 was helpful. The chain dried rapidly and a red oxide/dust appeared rapidly. O-rings got hard and cracked off.
WD40 alone should never be used as a lubricant. It dries and evaporates fairly rapidly, that it will not provide much lubrication after only a few hours. It is, however, GREAT for cleaning a chain, and removing gunked on grease.

I use WD40 for cleaning the chain off, getting any dried lube and gunk off, then apply DuPont multiuse Teflon lubricant (for bikes) on there. So far, so good: 23,000km and the chain is like new.
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Old 06-09-2008, 03:50 PM   #49
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WOW! Thanks for taking the time to do this...I'd have never thought about a comparison test.

I'm really bad about cleaning my chain. I lube the thing regularly and inspect it, but clean it....not so much.
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Old 06-12-2008, 09:51 AM   #50
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WD Mistake?

Back in 66 I was in the Navy and they banned the use of WD40 due to the fact it draws moisture. Spraying unprotected steel with it leaves a coat of rust the next day in a humid environment. Of course, that was 42 years ago. God, I can't believe I have been around that long. I'm certainly not old. I like Diesel myself. Top it with some chain lube to keep it from rusting.
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Old 06-13-2008, 11:48 AM   #51
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Back in 66 I was in the Navy and they banned the use of WD40 due to the fact it draws moisture. Spraying unprotected steel with it leaves a coat of rust the next day in a humid environment. Of course, that was 42 years ago. God, I can't believe I have been around that long. I'm certainly not old. I like Diesel myself. Top it with some chain lube to keep it from rusting.
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Isn't the whole point of W(ater)D(displacing)40 to not draw moisture? Something is not right, by "humid environment" do you mean dipped in seawater and left on the deck of a battleship?

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Old 06-14-2008, 04:31 PM   #52
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Holy crap. You know, it's a KLR, not a submarine.
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Old 06-14-2008, 09:18 PM   #53
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Holy crap. You know, it's a KLR, not a submarine.
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:01 AM   #54
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Nice attempt at a "scientific" approach.

The only thing I used on my DR650s' (s- as I've owned a 91 and 97) was spray on silicone. Worked great as a cleaner and lube and since the o-rings are of a silicone compound it just always made sense to not mix compounds to me.
I'd clean/lube with the stuff every 1,000 miles and routinely get between 15 and 20,000 miles per chain/sprocket combo. Not bad factoring in all the water crossings and river grit.

Shame I didn't find what I was looking for here in regards to my chain wear search, though!

Good Job but, there's just sooo many variables to consider.
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Old 06-15-2008, 06:26 AM   #55
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Great report, this would end up some eternal debate on chain cleaning
Great work
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:35 AM   #56
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Great report, this would end up some eternal debate on chain cleaning
Great work
Thanks! part II test results are shown here:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350310

I consider a 20% reduction in O-ring strength, due to WD-40 usage, a concern. I'm considering a part III test to evaluate the degeradation of the O-ring OEM grease within the link it's self.
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Old 06-20-2008, 08:16 AM   #57
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WD40 tricks

Stupid bike shop trick: When I worked as a mechanic in a bike (bicycle) shop we would blow up old inner tubes like balloons, spray them with a little WD40 and then toss them in a corner. After a few hours the tube would explode, hopefully causing everyone not in the know to spill their coffee. In our shop we were careful to keep WD40 away from tires and inner tubes. WD40 does negatively impact some rubbers and plastics, but not others. I try to keep it away from any rubber or plastic, just to be on the safe side.
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Old 06-21-2008, 12:53 PM   #58
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Displace or Draw

The way WD deals with moistrure apears to be that it absorbes it, then the distilates evaporate leaving the moisture behind which then ocidizes with the metal.
This is why the Navy banned it's use back in the 60's
They changed to CRC at the time.
I think I'll have to go with the Silicone for chains, it doesnt cake up with gritty dust, and doesn't hurt the O rings.

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Old 07-09-2008, 12:49 PM   #59
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I think I'll have to go with the Silicone for chains, it doesnt cake up with gritty dust, and doesn't hurt the O rings.
i tried many things on bicycle chains back in the day.

dipping chain in melted paraffin. worked well, but required periodic reapplication, which meant pulling the chain and melting the paraffin in a double boiler. laso left me with a squeaking chain around mile 150 of a 200 mile ride. stopped using it after that.

WD-40: not very good, needed very frequent application.

Tri-Flow: worked good, but left dark marks on anything the chain touched.

Silicone Spray: clean, but seemed to need FREQUENT reapplication.

LPS-3: waxy, worked well in everything except dusty environments. also provided great service when i got a street bike (moto) and i'd get over 20,000 miles out of an RK chain. don't think it's what i'd use for dual-sport abuse.
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Old 07-09-2008, 05:46 PM   #60
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Back in 66 I was in the Navy and they banned the use of WD40 due to the fact it draws moisture. Spraying unprotected steel with it leaves a coat of rust the next day in a humid environment. Of course, that was 42 years ago. God, I can't believe I have been around that long. I'm certainly not old. I like Diesel myself. Top it with some chain lube to keep it from rusting.
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Well, leave it to the military....that's why WD-40 was invented. Water Displacement formula #40.

Like I say, I'm not real good about cleaning the chain, but I do check it almost every time I go out, and it gets lubed with Chain Wax after a 5-10 minute ride to warm it up; just like the directions say. In the olden days before O-rings, I would break the chain, clean with diesel, let it dry, then into the oven for a bit to warm it up for 30-45 minutes on a low setting. When it got good and warm, I'd drop it into a bucket of 80/90 or 80/120 gear lube. What can I say, it worked great on that old '49 Panhead!!! Life was so much simpler back then!!!
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