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Old 12-21-2005, 12:04 AM   #76
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This sucker just keeps coming back from the twilight zone... dudnit.
ya'butt it's still a load of useful info; probably the most definitive thread on LC4 exhaust, at least the adv variety. good job creeper

now if only I could get someone to do this type of thread for tires... (ned's thread; recent post).
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:13 AM   #77
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ya'butt it's still a load of useful info; probably the most definitive thread on LC4 exhaust, at least the adv variety. good job creeper

now if only I could get someone to do this type of thread for tires... (ned's thread; recent post).
Too many variables. Geography, street/dirt use percentages, terrain, rider skill and "style", air pressures, gross weight, mean temperatures, karma... and those are just the ones that pop into the old noggin right off the batt.
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Old 12-21-2005, 06:40 AM   #78
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Too many variables. Geography, street/dirt use percentages, terrain, rider skill and "style", air pressures, gross weight, mean temperatures, karma... and those are just the ones that pop into the old noggin right off the batt.
ya'but there are some easy things eh?: crap tires, good ones, generally what they are good for or rough percentages... I thought the hard thing would be specific opinion!

you already have the tube thing buttoned up.
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Old 12-21-2005, 09:38 AM   #79
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ya'but there are some easy things eh?: crap tires, good ones, generally what they are good for or rough percentages... I thought the hard thing would be specific opinion!

you already have the tube thing buttoned up.
Yeah but... Every tire thread you've ever read is chock full of subjective, anecdotal opinions isn't it.
So who is the arbiter of what is good and what isn't?
It would degrade into what it usually does... a "my tire is better and yours is crap" slug fest.

Example: Which is better, a Michelin Baja or a Pirelli MT21?

Based on cost, the MT21 is a better tire.
Based on mileage, a Baja is a better tire.
Based on terrain, the MT21 might be a better tire.
Based on high speed usage, the Baja is a better tire.
Based on load rating, the Baja is a better tire.
Based on the phases of the moon... on October 23rd, the MT21 is a better tire.

Now... let’s reduce air pressures to 20 psi and repeat the line of questioning.



See where I'm goin' with this? A tire thread is populated with a variety of people, some more objective than others, some more honest than others, some who couldn't judge the various handling aspects of a tire if their lives depended on it.
Do you get to decide who is being straight up and who is full of shit? Who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't have a clue... but amazingly, has a fucking opinion anyway?

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Old 12-21-2005, 10:03 AM   #80
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I find it unfortunate that this is gumming up your exhaust thread, but I cannot refrain from sparing with ya.

I find that tire threads are chock full o' nutz, just like you say... but there is useful information provided therin AND also provided the reader can wade thru the opinions () and get some useful guideance. Very true, the fertilizer is pretty thick; perhaps even thicker than that making the peanuts grow in oil threads.

Arbiter? I am afraid that it might be harder to find a benevolent dictator than a good mechanic; what about a committee? Sure one person could be tasked with maintaining Post #1, like I do with the Index, but the committee could be hammering out positions on MT21 vs. Baja (I thought it was MT21 vs. D606? ), and that info fed back into Post #1.

The bigger question for me is: would it be worth it? Well, as always would it be fun... but with the right committee it could be entertaining enough to keep involvement high. For many it would help get them to competent rubber for their application, and within those recommendations they could experiment and find their mate (just like with the jetting guides eh? ). This couldn't be cookie cutter stuff, because of all the variables you stated, but it could be a road sign on the path to

We could always vote on Arbiter (Post #1) That could be fun too! With the also-rans forming the committee.
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Old 12-21-2005, 10:14 AM   #81
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Develop a rating system, with catagories, where a very positive is a 10 a and a negative is a 1. If the function is unknown, use an N/A.

Compile the data and do a post on the most current available sampling, with updates as the information comes in. Include the number sampled for a given tire rating.

Gota go...
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Old 12-21-2005, 10:23 AM   #82
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Both of ya'll shadddup and bow to the Tera-Flex

We all know that it is the best no matter the metrics...





Now back to exhausts...
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Old 12-21-2005, 10:52 AM   #83
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I'm exhausted....

Threads such as this are useful IMO. With a little (or sometimes) a lot of reading it's somewhat easy to figure out who's objective, who knows of what he(or she) speaks, who rides the most like me, blah blah blah. It's part of the board also. The rants, chants, biases, misinformation is part of the ride.

Now, is there any advantage that complete systems offer over a slip-on alone? I'm strongly considering an IDS2, a quiet version. I was thinking a slip-on only. Comments?
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Old 12-21-2005, 11:01 AM   #84
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Threads such as this are useful IMO. With a little (or sometimes) a lot of reading it's somewhat easy to figure out who's objective, who knows of what he(or she) speaks, who rides the most like me, blah blah blah. It's part of the board also. The rants, chants, biases, misinformation is part of the ride.

Now, is there any advantage that complete systems offer over a slip-on alone? I'm strongly considering an IDS2, a quiet version. I was thinking a slip-on only. Comments?
I owned a IDS2 (albeit a loud one).

I came into a Wings Ti and I like it over the IDS2.

A few reasons from my perspective. For some reason the Wings was "tuned" more to my bike (FCR carb, open airbox). It also felt "smoother" to me as well. Finally, it was made in sucha way that it bolted up better and stronger to my bike (although others have not had the same experiences).

That said, had I not come into the Wings I would have been perfectly happy with the IDS2...
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Old 12-21-2005, 11:45 AM   #85
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http://www.motostrano-store.com/rektmsuraex.html
Remus KTM Supermoto Race Exhaust
Remus Titanium full system for KTM Duke II, 620, 640 LC4.

Remus list:
http://maxmoto.com/data_source04/REM...ist%202004.pdf

with the right setup, +5-6 true HP:
http://www.factorypro.com/Prod_Pages/prodkt07.html

a bit of info for an fancy exhaust fella (see below)

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I'll have to do it next week, as I am about to head out of town for a week. Hope you can survive the suspense!

Perhaps you clever folks can even help me ID the exhaust (beyond "Remus Titanium"), but that's for a different thread...
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:19 PM   #86
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http://www.motostrano-store.com/rektmsuraex.html
Remus KTM Supermoto Race Exhaust
Remus Titanium full system for KTM Duke II, 620, 640 LC4.
Excellent! Thanks

Forgive my DS noobness, but I am correct in thinking that this exhaust system may not be welcome in most off-road areas due to its lack of spark arrester? This setup has some serious backfiring on decel...
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:32 PM   #87
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Excellent! Thanks

Forgive my DS noobness, but I am correct in thinking that this exhaust system may not be welcome in most off-road areas due to its lack of spark arrester? This setup has some serious backfiring on decel...
You will not be welcome in ANY offroad area without a spark arrestor.
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Old 12-21-2005, 12:34 PM   #88
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Excellent! Thanks

Forgive my DS noobness, but I am correct in thinking that this exhaust system may not be welcome in most off-road areas due to its lack of spark arrester? This setup has some serious backfiring on decel...
no spark arrestor will get you in trouble with USFS, probably BLM, and likely most OHV parks (well, maybe not the dunes but policy wins over reason everytime).

never fear, look for spark arrestors that could work with your pipes. pro moto billet (?) makes caps with sparkys for some pipes. others have built their own sparkys, based on common design and the field test that some rangers use (stick a stick in there and if it hits something soon enough your good to go?), as I recall reading.

backfire on decel? probably not necessary... check with the tuners on that; creeper, the owner of this thread, has a good handle on troubleshooting such behaviour.
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Pro Circuit T-4 for the LC4 available

I don't know the seller but the price seems good for those of you who are in the market for a pipe:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT

http://procircuit.rideshop.com/catal...4bc2c9581599b4


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Excellent! Thanks
This setup has some serious backfiring on decel...
Probably jetted too lean, if I had to guess.
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