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Old 04-25-2015, 12:40 PM   #1
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Does My Perfect Woods Bike Exist?

I may be describing a Husky TE570/610 but have never owned or ridden one so I don't know.

What I would really like:

Old school heavy flywheel four-stroke big bore low RPM torque and mid-range punch with the ability to rev out some--I'm not an RPM rider.

Lightweight but I am realistic--270-280 fully gassed and ready to go.

Somewhat comfortable--roomy ergonomics and no 2X4 seats.

Reliable and not too maintenance intensive-- frequent oil changes and valve adjustments are fine.

Pocketbook friendly--Around a $2500.00 buy-in price. Lower is better.

I realize the last requirement delegates me to used bikes in the late '90s to probably mid '00s--I'm fine with that.

So, is a TE570 or 610 what I'm after or is there another bike I'm missing?

Thanks for any and all info and comments guys.
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:00 PM   #2
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The 610 is way above your weight requirement at ~300+ dry, the TE570 (on paper) would fit the bill. Does it need to have a license plate/ go down the highway? Some of these (like the 570) are kind of hard to find, but might be worth considering:

ATK 605 (a little above your weight requirement at ~280 dry)

Husaberg FE550/FE650 (I'll admit that I know little about them, but the specs sure look nice!)

Any KTM RFS you can find (earlier/ non-factory plated should fall within your price range)

DRZ400E (NOT "S"!)
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:31 PM   #3
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The 610 is way above your weight requirement at ~300+ dry, the TE570 (on paper) would fit the bill. Does it need to have a license plate/ go down the highway? Some of these (like the 570) are kind of hard to find, but might be worth considering:

ATK 605 (a little above your weight requirement at ~280 dry)

Husaberg FE550/FE650 (I'll admit that I know little about them, but the specs sure look nice!)

Any KTM RFS you can find (earlier/ non-factory plated should fall within your price range)

DRZ400E (NOT "S"!)
I didn't realize the 610s were that heavy. They also only come in dual-sport trim? I was thinking there was a dirt only version like the 570.

I've ridden a friends dual-sport ATK 605 and thought it was pretty nice. Still probably as heavy as a plated XR600 though.

I'm a Husaberg owner and while they do check most of the boxes, the engine is still a race-bred design and is fairly quick-revving--not much flywheel.

Had a KTM 525EXC for a short time and basically felt similar to the 650 'berg only not as powerful--still pretty quick revving.

The E model DRZ could be interesting. Ridden a piped and jetted S version and it wasn't too bad, really. Still, it doesn't have that 600 class thumper low down yank.
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:46 PM   #4
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What you are describing is a DR 350 with a big bore kit, only it will cost a little less and you don't need to change the oil all that often.

Spend the money you save on some suspension upgrades and have a heck of a nice bike.
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:49 PM   #5
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Drz400 with bigbore kit and change the sprockets add rad fan
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Old 04-25-2015, 01:59 PM   #6
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Honda xr 650r gets my vote. Its not for everyone but worth considering if you find a good one.
Good luck.
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Old 04-25-2015, 02:08 PM   #7
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Newest XR600R you can find.

XR650R

Have you considered a 300 two stroke, a bike actually made for woods riding.
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Old 04-25-2015, 02:28 PM   #8
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KTM 400 RFS. My buddy has one, it is great in the snotty stuff. The trick is to find one that is not beat to hell. My buddy scored a good one with less than 100 hours on it (per the time honored frame paint by the footpegs wear indicators) for $2,250.
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Old 04-25-2015, 02:33 PM   #9
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I know it's not a 4stroke, but my brother used to race a KTM360. It pulled really well from the bottom like a big thumper. Power was super linear, almost tractor like. Easy to ride in the woods and as little or much power as you wanted.
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Old 04-25-2015, 02:38 PM   #10
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Have owned 4 XR650Rs and probably 6 XR600Rs over the years. The only thing negative to me with either bike is--they're heavy.
Both of the bikes are very agreeable to me.
If I could take 30-40 lbs off the XR600, I think it would be my perfect bike.
The engine, although not nearly as powerful as the 650R, is about perfect (to me) for the woods.
I should probably just find another and start eating my Wheaties. lol.

I'm just not a 2-stroke guy. I've heard rave reviews regarding 300 2-strokes but I'm a big-bore 4-stroke guy. I like the power characteristics of the old school big thumpers.
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I'm just not a 2-stroke guy. I've heard rave reviews regarding 300 2-strokes but I'm a big-bore 4-stroke guy. I like the power characteristics of the old school big thumpers.
you really should try a 300
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Old 04-25-2015, 03:42 PM   #12
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Hey Brucifer. I've owned an ridden many of the bikes you seem to like and have owned yourself. My all time favorite is the kick start Husky 610/570. Super torquey old school power. The 610s are probably the most stable bike ever made, but don't turn near as sharp as say an XR600.

They really quickened up the steering on the '01 570's, but they also lightened up the flywheel. It's still a stump puller compared to a 650 Berg or newer race thumper though. If your going to be carving through trees and switchbacks, I'd look for a 570 over a 610. The '02s had better FCR carbs I believe. I rode my buddy's '01 570 with the Mikuni and it was finicky to start when hot or laid down.

Here's my old 2000 610 and 2005 FE650 up at Lake Arrowhead a few years ago. The 610 is way more tractable where as you know the 650 Berg hits pretty hard, but feels lighter even though it has e-start. You really should try to ride one, they definitely have their own character that riders either love or hate.
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Old 04-25-2015, 04:24 PM   #13
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Hey Brucifer. I've owned an ridden many of the bikes you seem to like and have owned yourself. My all time favorite is the kick start Husky 610/570. Super torquey old school power. The 610s are probably the most stable bike ever made, but don't turn near as sharp as say an XR600.

They really quickened up the steering on the '01 570's, but they also lightened up the flywheel. It's still a stump puller compared to a 650 Berg or newer race thumper though. If your going to be carving through trees and switchbacks, I'd look for a 570 over a 610. The '02s had better FCR carbs I believe. I rode my buddy's '01 570 with the Mikuni and it was finicky to start when hot or laid down.

Here's my old 2000 610 and 2005 FE650 up at Lake Arrowhead a few years ago. The 610 is way more tractable where as you know the 650 Berg hits pretty hard, but feels lighter even though it has e-start. You really should try to ride one, they definitely have their own character that riders either love or hate.
Thanks bro! There is a 570 for sale about 150 miles from me but he's $700.00 out of my self-imposed price limit.
I guess I need to get the 'berg running so I can get at least my money back out of it and maybe bring a 570 home.
They do seem to be fairly rare though.

Keep your eyes open around your place if you would, in case one comes up for sale.
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Is it wrong that seeing a chain on the wrong side still excites me ?

Despite the terrible music... The late 90's were a pretty good time to be racing in the woods.


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Hey Brucifer. I've owned an ridden many of the bikes you seem to like and have owned yourself. My all time favorite is the kick start Husky 610/570. Super torquey old school power. The 610s are probably the most stable bike ever made, but don't turn near as sharp as say an XR600.

They really quickened up the steering on the '01 570's, but they also lightened up the flywheel. It's still a stump puller compared to a 650 Berg or newer race thumper though. If your going to be carving through trees and switchbacks, I'd look for a 570 over a 610. The '02s had better FCR carbs I believe. I rode my buddy's '01 570 with the Mikuni and it was finicky to start when hot or laid down.

Here's my old 2000 610 and 2005 FE650 up at Lake Arrowhead a few years ago. The 610 is way more tractable where as you know the 650 Berg hits pretty hard, but feels lighter even though it has e-start. You really should try to ride one, they definitely have their own character that riders either love or hate.
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Is it wrong that seeing a chain on the wrong side still excites me ?

Despite the terrible music... The late 90's were a pretty good time to be racing in the woods.
It's not for everyone, that's for sure. Wrong side drives and kickers never bothered me, but yeah the music is not missed.

That day my buddy had his YZ250 suspension apart so I let him ride the 610. I had to start it for him every time we stopped. He says he could never understand why I rode those things.
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