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Old 02-07-2013, 05:11 PM   #1681
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BTW the CV carb its lot smoother while Tm its agressive.
Have you ridden both back to back? Does the TM28 add a lot of power? Just wondering because a friend with a DR250 with the pumper carb said that offroad he preferred the predictable power characteristics of the CV.
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Old 02-07-2013, 09:18 PM   #1682
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graphics update.

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Found this and ordered graphics for my DRZ250. Nothing custom only tank graphics I could find so now it won't look so naked. Hope this is useful to some.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:00 AM   #1683
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Have you ridden both back to back? Does the TM28 add a lot of power? Just wondering because a friend with a DR250 with the pumper carb said that offroad he preferred the predictable power characteristics of the CV.
the pumper gives better snap
were the cv carb is a flatter feel

ride both and see for your self
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:39 AM   #1684
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the pumper gives better snap
were the cv carb is a flatter feel

ride both and see for your self
Wish I had a chance to compare them back to back.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:48 AM   #1685
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i have, and both have a place

i like the pumper better , but it uses more fuel
the cv carb deals with elevation change better
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:36 AM   #1686
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the pumper gives better snap
were the cv carb is a flatter feel

ride both and see for your self
i can attest to that on my DR650. I use it to tour and have the CV carb. it's very predictable power and linear in how it build power. for touring with gear and heavier weight and huge elevation changes this is ideal. have ridden ones with a pumper added and they were used as big dirt bikes. it had tons of power now feeling (not on & off switch power, but more I'm giving you all i've got power now. CV carbs take time to build power) and that worked well for more technical riding when you needed to make a move...now.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:47 AM   #1687
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this goes out to all DRZ250 owner, especially ones who live at altitude.

i'm conflicted on if my next bike is a DRZ250 or the 400.

I like the simpler 250 package (understanding I need to do suspension work) but all the 400 users keep putting a bug in my ear that the 250 will be a dog up high in the mtns of Colorado (above 10k). They say a plated 400E is the only way to go and the 250 is a joke.

$ wise i'll have $ left over if I buy a 250 that I can put into mods but will the size of the 250 leave me flat in power? don't think i'd ever do big bore so ya know, but rather buy the 400 if the 250 needs big bore.

I'm not a haul ass kinda rider just a 1st or 2nd gear move along kinda guy. I'm wondering will the 250 in 1st gear trying to climb something steep and technical and high elevation just flat out run out of power and piss me off or is the 250 motor more than that???
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:00 AM   #1688
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I owned a 2006 DRZ250 with the California CV carb. I sold it because I have knee and hip issues and could not get on and off without a stool. I re-jetted, un-corked the airbox by removing snorkel and adding some UNI filter plugs (4). I also installed a UNI air filter and ground out the header welds--muffler remained stock. The "flat" issue was handled by shimming the needle .070" with a washer. It ran like a charm.Previously, I had an XR400 that I plated and the DRZ did not give away that much in useable power. The DRZ was also plated.

I would agree with the others that a plated DRZ400 (the off-road version, not the DS version) might be a great bike. The DS version feels very heavy compared to the 250. Depending on your weight and riding style, you may need to stiffen the suspension.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:44 AM   #1689
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I owned a 2006 DRZ250 with the California CV carb. I sold it because I have knee and hip issues and could not get on and off without a stool. I re-jetted, un-corked the airbox by removing snorkel and adding some UNI filter plugs (4). I also installed a UNI air filter and ground out the header welds--muffler remained stock. The "flat" issue was handled by shimming the needle .070" with a washer. It ran like a charm.Previously, I had an XR400 that I plated and the DRZ did not give away that much in useable power. The DRZ was also plated.

I would agree with the others that a plated DRZ400 (the off-road version, not the DS version) might be a great bike. The DS version feels very heavy compared to the 250. Depending on your weight and riding style, you may need to stiffen the suspension.
thanks. i would buy a pumper carb version and plate it in colorado.
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buy the drz250 and uncork it and ride

in the woods it will be right there with 400
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:59 AM   #1691
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buy the drz250 and uncork it and ride

in the woods it will be right there with 400
wondering if you've ever ridden in colorado on jeep roads up above 10,000'?
that's my concern area for sure? like i said, i'm not a speed freak but I don't want a motor that just flat out runs outta power or the carb is so bogged rich. the 250 is a light simpler bike compared to the 400 and that's what appeals to me.

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i lived in the mountains of arizona near 10k and rode a dt 175

it was slow on the road but fun on single track
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:23 PM   #1693
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wondering if you've ever ridden in colorado on jeep roads up above 10,000'?
that's my concern area for sure? like i said, i'm not a speed freak but I don't want a motor that just flat out runs outta power or the carb is so bogged rich. the 250 is a light simpler bike compared to the 400 and that's what appeals to me.

thanks bill
I have both (plated 400E and DRZ250) and live in CO. I havent taken the 250 up to quite that elevation but we did some riding in NM last weekend at 6500-7000 feet, and the DRZ250 did just fine. It had enough power, but to compare the two would be apples and oranges.

I do like the simplicity of the 250 vs the 400, less weight and 6speed gearbox is also really nice. That said i dont think i would trade the 400 for the 250. The out of box torque on the 400 is a life saver and really can get you out of some jams! At elevation the 400 never feels underpowered, while the 250 just didnt have the same spunk. It was really fun to ride on tighter trails but once the road opened up or the sand got loose the 400 started to walk away from it!

Given the pricing, aftermarket availability and parts, id go DRZ400 over 250. Down at sea level it might be a more even playing field, but our riding favored the 400. Just my .02 your results may vary! i still love the 250!

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i have a full yoshi (loud with quite core) and a jet kit that helps

i will say i'm looking into a big bore kit and a tm 33
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thanks for the direct insight.

i am more interested in exploring the high country jeep roads vrs woods riding. my DR650 is not that great on the rough jeep roads and those are the ones I want to ride for the views. that's what I was thinking about the extra power of the 400, it's there when you need it. had an xr400 (sold it because of the kick start) and there were times in the mtns that I needed that twist the throttle extra power to save my as (by line, funky rock etc.).

how does the weight fell between the 2?
I would get a E for sure. I see you have USD forks on the 400. how did that go?

i hear ya if I was riding low elevation woods riding, but now thinking about it, my DR650 has been lacking in power (when I get above 13,000'. as much as I love the design of the 250, I think the 400 is the better bike for how I use it. future thinking i'll probably load it with camping gear and go touring too.
just need a boatload of $ and buy both...not gonna happen.

...any chance I can trade ya some beers to ride both?

thnx bill

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I have both (plated 400E and DRZ250) and live in CO. I havent taken the 250 up to quite that elevation but we did some riding in NM last weekend at 6500-7000 feet, and the DRZ250 did just fine. It had enough power, but to compare the two would be apples and oranges.

I do like the simplicity of the 250 vs the 400, less weight and 6speed gearbox is also really nice. That said i dont think i would trade the 400 for the 250. The out of box torque on the 400 is a life saver and really can get you out of some jams! At elevation the 400 never feels underpowered, while the 250 just didnt have the same spunk. It was really fun to ride on tighter trails but once the road opened up or the sand got loose the 400 started to walk away from it!

Given the pricing, aftermarket availability and parts, id go DRZ400 over 250. Down at sea level it might be a more even playing field, but our riding favored the 400. Just my .02 your results may vary! i still love the 250!

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