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Old 08-03-2008, 11:46 PM   #1
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VW Side-Bike hack

I know that trike conversions from VWs are doable and pretty popular. Has anyone taken a VW and set it up to look like a bike and sidecar - like the Zeus Side-Bike?

Is this a good idea or a dumb one?
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Old 08-04-2008, 06:14 AM   #2
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The roads around here are about impassable in some areas from all the trikes that look like VW's slowing down to wave at each other.

So- you want to put a Bug body on a 3-wheeled 2-track vehicle?

Accoding to an ancient text I keep on the desk here, the most efficacious way to get rid of ideas like this is by driving a "spike" into the subjects head at a specified location which I won't reveal until I get there.
Get comfortable while I figure out what a good spike might be...
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Old 08-04-2008, 07:05 AM   #3
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Sidecar and Bike body on a VW bug frame

I was thinking more like putting the bike body and sidecar on a VW frame. The sidecar would hide the engine.

Like these guys - but cheap:








Zeus: http://www.side-bike.de/Side-Bike/Modelle/zeus.html










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Old 08-04-2008, 07:21 AM   #4
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Old 08-04-2008, 01:15 PM   #5
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To get the sidecar ant not off-set three wheeler effect you need to have the side car wheel lead the rear wheel by 8-10 inches. So that complicates things considerably.

Also I don't think a cut down V-W pan is the best way forward. Some thing with muti tubes is and not likely to include the word cheap in the final product.
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Old 08-04-2008, 05:58 PM   #6
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Two track Three wheeler

So how important is it to offset the to rear wheels? I believe that I have seen sidecars with the sidecar wheel and rear wheel in-line together.

It would make sense that there is more stability with the sidecar wheel offset forward a bit. But does it matter with the track as wide as a VW bug?

I can weld a bit and figgured the most difficult part would be figuring out the front streering. Maybe I can weld a long diagonal support out of rectangular steel, like on many VW trike designs - but offest to the driver's side.

The advantages as I see it are:

1) Cheap parts - entire running car for 500 US dollars
2) Rear and sidecar wheel come aligned
3) Two wheel drive vw one wheel drive
4) Easy to find engine parts
5) Car tires and wheels in the rear
6) Easy to work on drivetrain
7) Lots of aftermarket support
8) Power vs motorcycle engine
9) Unique hack


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Old 08-06-2008, 09:10 AM   #7
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The unit in the pic has the chair wheel leading the rear. It will be harder to turn to the right with no lead.
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Old 08-06-2008, 10:13 AM   #8
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The unit in the pic has the chair wheel leading the rear. It will be harder to turn to the right with no lead.
You got that right, he can't even keep it in his lane!


To answer the original question reminds of the saying "The problem with most good ideas is they just boil down to a lot of hard work"
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:51 AM   #9
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two track three wheel car hack conversion

So the turning issues sounds pretty imporant and after some reading, it seems that if I did my origional conversion with the chair and rear wheel without any lead, I'll lift the rear tire on turns on the chair side.

Damn.

Plus I found this image


It's a diesel Ford Escort. Not exactly what I had in mind - but not really interested in driving that around as much as the Side-Bike. Perhapse going cheap on this project is going to be disappointing.

The wheels are still turning.
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Old 08-07-2008, 07:55 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Uncle Ernie
The roads around here are about impassable in some areas from all the trikes that look like VW's slowing down to wave at each other.

So- you want to put a Bug body on a 3-wheeled 2-track vehicle?

Accoding to an ancient text I keep on the desk here, the most efficacious way to get rid of ideas like this is by driving a "spike" into the subjects head at a specified location which I won't reveal until I get there.
Get comfortable while I figure out what a good spike might be...
Hi Uncle Ernie! Long time no see... on my part anyhow...
Hope is well with you.
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Old 08-07-2008, 07:59 AM   #11
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it sounds like you might have little or no actual experience with sidecars? You might consider finding a cheap, used sidecar already put together and taking a sidecar class(not necessarily in that order) to get a little seat time before designing one on your own. It would really help you get some perspective on what is required and desirable in a sidecar rig and how they work. Book learning alone is not a good basis for design.
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Old 08-07-2008, 08:27 AM   #12
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it sounds like you might have little or no actual experience with sidecars? You might consider finding a cheap, used sidecar already put together and taking a sidecar class(not necessarily in that order) to get a little seat time before designing one on your own. It would really help you get some perspective on what is required and desirable in a sidecar rig and how they work. Book learning alone is not a good basis for design.
You are probably right, but it has been difficult finding a used chair and I figured that I would just use your experience to help design a really cool setup.

I've seen a few car/chair hybrids on the web, and it's starting to look like the squeeze just might not be worth the juice. But the thought of throwing together a my very own easy to do setup with power disc brakes, car wheels, car tires, running gear that is easy to find parts for, possible two wheel drive and wheel standing power (not that I need or really want that) for less than the price of a Ural - is pretty appealing. The easy to do and less than the price of Ural is starting to look unlikely.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:28 PM   #13
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Here's one you can "pick up" for free. It looks like a good project starter.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350988
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Old 08-07-2008, 02:01 PM   #14
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If you think about it almost any front wheel drive car , engine and tranny, could be used to make a rear engine hack. Left front car wheel becomes the rear bike wheel and right front car wheel gets moved forward and is turned by a chain or gilmer belt. Rigid suspenion on th ehack sure woudl make it easy.
The sidecar wheel on the yellow rig is run by a gilmer toothed belt.
One could also possibly lock the differential and use an unpowered sidecar wheel.
If we look at how much power some of the youngsters are getting out of these 'tuner cars' today this whole concept can get pretty exciting. Twin turbos, intercoolers etc etc...yow.
I better shut up now...LOL.
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Old 08-07-2008, 02:01 PM   #15
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Here's one you can "pick up" for free. It looks like a good project starter.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350988
Yah - I've been wondering about the Sunken sidecar of doom. If it were just driving distance from here.
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