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Old 09-15-2008, 11:12 AM   #1
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Question F800GS 600 Mile Service Questions

I am going into my 600 mile service this week, and have only one question / issue for the dealer. Has anyone else had the service done yet, and if so what questions did you have and what were some of the things the dealer found upon inspection of the 600 mile service?

My only issue from my first 600 miles (actually rode about 1200 miles):
  • A knocking sound (kind of a hollow sound through the bars) over choppy bumps (and speed bumps in a parking lot). Might be something loose?? Or, maybe it is just a normal sound when the bike is going over rough terrain?? Feels like it is in the steering stem somewhere??
  • Still some brake noise from the front Brembos...no loud squiking...but some noise. Could just be normal.
  • A couple of times when I was down shifting fast from 5th to 1, with the clutch pulled all the way in, heading to a stop light/sign, the the OBC readout did not tell me what gear I was in, and the bike felt as if it were in no gear (nuetral) however the N was not on the read-out. Could just be me switching gears too fast...however I thought I would ask.
Other than that...no mechanical problems.
If anyone knows of something else to address or ask about, I am all .
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Old 09-15-2008, 11:38 AM   #2
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DIY initial service - not much to it

Found the info below on the UKGSer site and did most myself @ 640 miles yesterday.
Will ask dealer to run the computer checks.

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Reading fault memory with BMW Motorrad diagnostic system
Confirming BMW Service in on-board documentation
Setting service-due date and service countdown distance

Owner
Engine-oil change, with filter
Checking coolant level
Check/adjust clutch play
Checking chain tension
Checking spoke tension, adjusting if necessary
Checking tyre pressures
Checking lights and signalling equipment
Function test, engine start suppression
Final inspection and check of roadworthiness

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Rotax rocks - the oil was clear and clean, and there was a minimal amount of sludge on the drain plug magnet.

Spokes required only slight tightening (~1/16 turn).

Lubed chain, tension was fine.

Re-checked all fasteners (previously applied lock-tite to headlight mount screws & tightened rear sprocket bolts).

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Old 09-15-2008, 12:41 PM   #3
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I am going into my 600 mile service this week, and have only one question / issue for the dealer. Has anyone else had the service done yet, and if so what questions did you have and what were some of the things the dealer found upon inspection of the 600 mile service?

My only issue from my first 600 miles (actually rode about 1200 miles):
  • A knocking sound (kind of a hollow sound through the bars) over choppy bumps (and speed bumps in a parking lot). Might be something loose?? Or, maybe it is just a normal sound when the bike is going over rough terrain?? Feels like it is in the steering stem somewhere??
  • Still some brake noise from the front Brembos...no loud squiking...but some noise. Could just be normal.
  • A couple of times when I was down shifting fast from 5th to 1, with the clutch pulled all the way in, heading to a stop light/sign, the the OBC readout did not tell me what gear I was in, and the bike felt as if it were in no gear (nuetral) however the N was not on the read-out. Could just be me switching gears too fast...however I thought I would ask.
Other than that...no mechanical problems.
If anyone knows of something else to address or ask about, I am all .
As long as it's NOT your steering head being loose (throw it on the centerstand and check), then it's probably just your pads rattling.
I would say, don't downshift from 5- 1 without engaging it at least temporarily. Mine definitely doesn't like it. (neither did my 1200)
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:03 PM   #4
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  • A knocking sound (kind of a hollow sound through the bars) over choppy bumps (and speed bumps in a parking lot). Might be something loose?? Or, maybe it is just a normal sound when the bike is going over rough terrain?? Feels like it is in the steering stem somewhere??
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I have this as well. Nothing feels loose, but it sure sounds it. Curious. Doesn't feel like head bearings though.
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:20 PM   #5
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I have this as well. Nothing feels loose, but it sure sounds it. Curious. Doesn't feel like head bearings though.
I believe what both vasculopath and Dr. Zaius are hearing may be the center stand bouncing a bit underneath the bike crossing large bumps. I had this problem on my R1200GS, and it took me months to figure out where the noise, (distinct clunk felt more than heard), was coming from.
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:38 PM   #6
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I have this as well. Nothing feels loose, but it sure sounds it. Curious. Doesn't feel like head bearings though.
I get a bit of odd thumping from up there just when pumping the front forks hard. Engage the front brakes and pump the suspension hard, see if you can repro the sound. Dunno what it is.
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Old 09-15-2008, 01:46 PM   #7
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Found the info below on the UKGSer site and did most myself @ 640 miles yesterday.
Will ask dealer to run the computer checks.

Dealer
Reading fault memory with BMW Motorrad diagnostic system
Confirming BMW Service in on-board documentation
Setting service-due date and service countdown distance

Owner
Engine-oil change, with filter
Checking coolant level
Check/adjust clutch play
Checking chain tension
Checking spoke tension, adjusting if necessary
Checking tyre pressures
Checking lights and signalling equipment
Function test, engine start suppression
Final inspection and check of roadworthiness
Hmm ... my dealer said that they had to do valves at 600. Granted, they don't have much experience servicing these guys, but he sure sounded sure of himself. Then again, this is from a dealer whose service department I *loathe* ...

Can't wait for the dang service manual CD to arrive!
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:36 PM   #8
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Unless valves are checked hot?... I was told this is a 30 minute service.
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Old 09-15-2008, 04:50 PM   #9
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Unless valves are checked hot?... I was told this is a 30 minute service.
My dealer asked for my bike for the day. They must also be checking the valves...or they are the worlds slowest oil changers?

As for the front end sound...it sounds / feels as if the springs in the front shocks extend out so fast (over tight bumps) it actually makes a noise before the front tire has time to get more weight on it. I actually thought about the kickstand or center stand making noise...however this really feels like it is in the bars up front somewhere. It doesn't effect the performance at all...however I just want to make sure nothing is loose.

I am also going to make sure I have the latest software loaded: CPI 12.0 is what I understand to be the software to eliminate any stalling problems (I have not had any of these so far...however better safe than sorry).
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Old 09-16-2008, 04:56 AM   #10
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my "understanding" was that valve adjustment was NOT part of 600 mile service... and I would think it is done cold but don't know... My 600 mile maint. gets done Friday so I'm not clear on this...
Who's got a copy of the maint. CD that can check that???

Glad the drain plug has a magnet (too bad there is not a "magnet" for aluminum eh? )

From what I know, I think the only think missing from the list of actions is to "wander around the bike with a torque wrench" to check torque on critical fasteners.

I believe the latest level of the engine code is CIP 11.2 (not 12.0) but I could be wrong ... again.

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Old 09-16-2008, 05:14 AM   #11
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Valve CHECK is done the first time at 12,000 miles, and must be done on a COLD engine. If your dealer is saying that it gets done at 600, run away!

The boxer engines all get a valve check and adjust at the 600 mile service (must also be done cold), but they are a totally different type of valve train. The rotax engine uses a shim and bucket under the overhead cam instead of a rocker arm with tappet adjusters like the boxer. Also more difficult to check and much more work to adjust.
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Old 09-16-2008, 06:46 AM   #12
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I have seen several reports of the steering head becoming loose in the first 600 miles. It's not unheard of. Make sure they check it.
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Old 09-16-2008, 11:29 AM   #13
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Valve CHECK is done the first time at 12,000 miles, and must be done on a COLD engine. If your dealer is saying that it gets done at 600, run away!

The boxer engines all get a valve check and adjust at the 600 mile service (must also be done cold), but they are a totally different type of valve train. The rotax engine uses a shim and bucket under the overhead cam instead of a rocker arm with tappet adjusters like the boxer. Also more difficult to check and much more work to adjust.
Thanks I have a snap-on tool for doing the valve shims on my Toyota OHC ... I wonder if it would work on the BMW ... of course there's still the question of getting the correct replacement shims ......

We pass around a box of them on the Toyota forum group...

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Old 09-17-2008, 05:29 PM   #14
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Just got it back from the 600 mile service. No valve check. It was a 2 hour event. Changed the oil...checked the computer...pretty basic stuff. The front end noise appears to be nothing. Everything was tight. Very quick. Very easy. Now...onto riding some more!
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Old 09-17-2008, 09:15 PM   #15
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And what was the cost so the rest of us have an idea what to expect?
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