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Old 05-12-2012, 07:05 PM   #2206
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'must-do'.... I don't think so, it's all just a matter of taste or preference. The stock bike is pretty darn perfect

Just ride and enjoy!
Ok - did it. The K12R is gone and (almost) forgotten.

The MM is just awesome. It rides even better now that I own it. Completely different (obviously) - just a hoot to ride. Strangely I find myself breaking more speed limits on the HP2 that the K12...

Now all I have to do is spend a gloriously sunny weekend tweaking the bouncy bits...
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Old 05-12-2012, 07:57 PM   #2207
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Congratulations! The MM is a really special bike. I test rode a GS a couple weeks ago and it just didn't make me giddy. The only other bike I've ever ridden that makes me giddy is the HP2 Sport.
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Old 05-12-2012, 08:24 PM   #2208
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HP2 Megamoto to HP2 Enduro

So I currently ride an F800gs and was toying with the idea of a HP2.
Is the HP2 Megamoto the same bike as the Enduro with street fitout and are they up to the same Job as the Enduro, e:g suspension travel . They look like the same bike .Is it going to be a better off-road option that the F800gs.

So how do I make one of these

look like one of these
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Old 05-12-2012, 09:11 PM   #2209
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^ you dont. Apples and oranges, amigo.

The HP2e was offered with motard wheels, but isn't an MM by any stretch. Same frame, different fork and shock specs, different wheel sets.
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Old 05-12-2012, 10:39 PM   #2210
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different speedo, engines, gearbox, brakes etc
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:41 PM   #2211
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So how do I make one of these

look like one of these
For the looks only ... :

1. Changing the side panels (compatible), you retain the top panel
2. Adopting the instrument dashholder, headlights, beak from the HP2E
3. If you cannot reuse the MM's under-headlight oil cooler, then you need to get a HP2E side oil cooler (not so efficient)
4. You need to run new brake lines for the front to tidy up the lines, install fork guards from the HP2E
5. You will want to retain the dual brake discs of the MM for greater stopping
6. Get a HP2E cover for the seat
7. I suggest keep the MM's rear Ohlins.

Be aware that the MM and E are essentially 2 different bikes:

1. wheels - (thinner) spoked (21 x 2.5, 17 x 4.5) versus (sporty) cast (17 x 3.5, 17 x 5.0 or 5.5 width) MM's can adopt spoked wheels with enough time and money
2. MM has a tacho, E doesn't
3. MM's forks have shorter travel, and has rebound adjustments on the top and compression on the base. I think the E has rebound and compression in separate forks
4. Counterbalancer in MM, purportedly smoother
5. I suspect that the HP2E's lower seat is the same as the stock MM's seat.
6. The MM makes slightly more HP but I think more than enough
7. Differences in exhausts, sidestand

Welcome

My own question, I am contemplating the ROX risers or the TT risers ... anyone installed these on the MM?






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Old 05-13-2012, 01:03 AM   #2212
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For the looks only ... :

1. Changing the side panels (compatible), you retain the top panel
2. Adopting the instrument dashholder, headlights, beak from the HP2E
3. If you cannot reuse the MM's under-headlight oil cooler, then you need to get a HP2E side oil cooler (not so efficient)
4. You need to run new brake lines for the front to tidy up the lines, install fork guards from the HP2E
5. You will want to retain the dual brake discs of the MM for greater stopping
6. Get a HP2E cover for the seat
7. I suggest keep the MM's rear Ohlins.

Be aware that the MM and E are essentially 2 different bikes:

1. wheels - (thinner) spoked (21 x 2.5, 17 x 4.5) versus (sporty) cast (17 x 3.5, 17 x 5.0 or 5.5 width) MM's can adopt spoked wheels with enough time and money
2. MM has a tacho, E doesn't
3. MM's forks have shorter travel, and has rebound adjustments on the top and compression on the base. I think the E has rebound and compression in separate forks
4. Counterbalancer in MM, purportedly smoother
5. I suspect that the HP2E's lower seat is the same as the stock MM's seat.
6. The MM makes slightly more HP but I think more than enough
7. Differences in exhausts, sidestand

Welcome




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Had a look on the net seems to be verry little diference between them , apart from the 21' front wheel which may account for the a bit of rake .
Model:BMW HP2 Enduro
Year:2006
Category:Enduro / offroad
Rating:73.2 out of 100. Show full rating and compare with other bikes
Engine and transmission
Displacement:1170.00 ccm (71.39 cubic inches)
Engine type:Twin, four-stroke
Power:103.25 HP (75.4 kW)) @ 7000 RPM
Torque:115.00 Nm (11.7 kgf-m or 84.8 ft.lbs) @ 5500 RPM
Compression:11.0:1
Bore x stroke:101.0 x 73.0 mm (4.0 x 2.9 inches)
Valves per cylinder:4
Fuel system:Injection. Electronic intake pipe injection/digital engine management: BMS-K with overrun fuel cut-off, dual ignition
Fuel control:SOHC
Cooling system:Oil & air
Gearbox:6-speed
Transmission type,
final drive:


Shaft drive (cardan)
Clutch:Single-disc dry clutch, hydraulically operated
Fuel consumption:4.10 litres/100 km (24.4 km/l or 57.37 mpg)
Greenhouse gases:95.1 CO2 g/km. (CO2 - Carbon dioxide emission)
Chassis, suspension, brakes and wheels
Frame type:Tubular steel space frame
Rake (fork angle):29.5
Trail:127 mm (5.0 inches)
Front suspension:WAD upside-down front fork, 45 mm , compression damping adjustable in two ranges, rebound damping adjustable
Front suspension travel:270 mm (10.6 inches)
Rear suspension:Forged aluminium single-sided swinging arm with BMW Motorrad Paralever
Rear suspension travel:250 mm (9.8 inches)
Front tyre dimensions:90/90-21
Rear tyre dimensions:140/80-17
Front brakes:Double disc
Rear brakes:Double disc
Physical measures and capacities
Dry weight:175.0 kg (385.8 pounds)
Weight incl. oil, gas, etc:195.0 kg (429.9 pounds)
Power/weight ratio:0.5900 HP/kg
Seat height:920 mm (36.2 inches) If adjustable, lowest setting.
Overall height:1,266 mm (49.8 inches)
Overall length:2,350 mm (92.5 inches)
Overall width:880 mm (34.6 inches)
Wheelbase:1,610 mm (63.4 inches)
Fuel capacity:13.00 litres (3.43 gallons)
Model:BMW HP2 Megamoto
Year:2008
Category:Super motard
Rating:72.4 out of 100. Show full rating and compare with other bikes
Engine and transmission
Displacement:1170.00 ccm (71.39 cubic inches)
Engine type:Two cylinder boxer, two-stroke
Compression:12.0:1
Bore x stroke:101.0 x 73.0 mm (4.0 x 2.9 inches)
Valves per cylinder:4
Fuel system:Injection. Electronic intake pipe injection/BMS-K digital engine management with overrun fuel cut-off, twin-spark ignition
Fuel control:SOHC
Cooling system:Oil & air
Gearbox:6-speed
Transmission type,
final drive:


Shaft drive (cardan)
Clutch:Single dry plate clutch, hydraulically operated
Fuel consumption:4.10 litres/100 km (24.4 km/l or 57.37 mpg)
Greenhouse gases:95.1 CO2 g/km. (CO2 - Carbon dioxide emission)
Chassis, suspension, brakes and wheels
Frame type:Tubular steel space frame
Rake (fork angle):32.5
Trail:157 mm (6.2 inches)
Front suspension:WAD upside-down front fork, 45 mm, compression damping continuously adjustable in two ranges, rebound damping adjustable
Front suspension travel:270 mm (10.6 inches)
Rear suspension:Forged aluminium single-sided swinging arm with BMW Motorrad Paralever
Rear suspension travel:250 mm (9.8 inches)
Front tyre dimensions:120/70-ZR17
Rear tyre dimensions:180/55-ZR17
Front brakes:Double disc
Front brakes diameter:320 mm (12.6 inches)
Rear brakes:Single disc
Rear brakes diameter:265 mm (10.4 inches)
Physical measures and capacities
Dry weight:178.0 kg (392.4 pounds)
Weight incl. oil, gas, etc:198.0 kg (436.5 pounds)
Seat height:890 mm (35.0 inches) If adjustable, lowest setting.
Overall length:2,350 mm (92.5 inches)
Wheelbase:1,625 mm (64.0 inches)
Fuel capacity:13.00 litres (3.43 gallons)
Reserve fuel capacity:2.00 litres (0.53 gallons)
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:55 AM   #2213
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Megamoto two stroke? Which model is that?
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Old 05-13-2012, 04:44 AM   #2214
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If you think that all the truth is on internet, don't ask such question here...


HP2E :
Front brakes:Double disc
Rear brakes:Double disc







Please, try to get serious info...
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Old 05-13-2012, 06:05 PM   #2215
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Docstrada,

Perhaps the thing to do is to take a look at one in the flesh. Might be a good idea to also compare the owner's handbooks by BMW. I think the MM is more than good enough for fire-roads but to me it is not the enduro machine that the HP2E is designed to me, which it is in the hands of capable riders. The front suspension is the main difference (travel is different) but my understanding is that the HP2E's forks are often criticised and replaced with WP forks by the enduro chaps.

Let us know your thoughts and see how we can help you to achieve the ride that you want.

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Old 05-14-2012, 07:26 AM   #2216
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Tony, as you come from a powerfull K1200R, I would say :

1) exhaust header replaced by AROS one ;
2) K&N air filter
3) RapidBike EVO module.
4) Perfect settings of the damping.

After all that, yes the MM will perhaps make you forget the previous bike you had
Thanks Marc.

Looking into your suggestions there seems to be a couple of options on headers. Does anyone have experience with the Remus header (saw one on sale in the UK) or the Wunderlich sports header? I see wildly varying prices (especially from here in Australia) so it would be good to know if there are any defining features that I should take into account (build quality, finish, etc) .

Also, on the Rapidbike EVO front - is there concensus on the best mapping unit? My local shop is a Dynojet dealer/tuner and unsurprisingly suggested a PowerCommander...

Thanks again!
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Old 05-14-2012, 08:47 AM   #2217
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Hi Tony,
I had first AROS because it fits perfectly on the original Akra.
Remus will not and you will be obliged to change the can too with it.

I have changed the header and can with full Remus now because I found the Akra too "big", too thick.
Did that on the 2 HP2

I'm sure Dynojet will also work perfectly if your local shop is a pro.



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Old 05-14-2012, 10:34 PM   #2218
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Thanks Marc.

Looking into your suggestions there seems to be a couple of options on headers. Does anyone have experience with the Remus header (saw one on sale in the UK) or the Wunderlich sports header? I see wildly varying prices (especially from here in Australia) so it would be good to know if there are any defining features that I should take into account (build quality, finish, etc) .

Also, on the Rapidbike EVO front - is there concensus on the best mapping unit? My local shop is a Dynojet dealer/tuner and unsurprisingly suggested a PowerCommander...

Thanks again!
I had Aros headers before I bought a full Akra system. They fit perfectly but like the original ones turn brownish after some time but can be restored to silver color with some TLC.

My shop sold both Dynojet and RapidBike, he suggested RB as he claimed its cpu is faster and in general is a better product but I think there is only a marginal difference between them, if any, when both are properly tuned.
With the Aros I did add that temperature related resistance thingy to let the engine run a little richer as the header will cause a leaner mixture otherwise.

Another option you might want to look into is the Wunderlich Performance Controller (Power Controller) which is a derivative of the Techlusion R259 TFI units for earlier BMW motorcycles and is made by Techlusion (Dobeck) for Wunderlich. It is cheaper and basically does the same thing as RB or Dynojet but with less (but sufficient) precise control.
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:13 PM   #2219
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What do you guys think a fair market price is for an ABS MM with a few thousand miles on the clock and virtually new condition?
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:37 PM   #2220
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I'm guessing 14-15k. My dealer told me that MM resale values have been going up recently. Are you buying or selling?
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