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Old 10-13-2008, 04:13 AM   #16
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Ya I know, the problem has supposedly been solved........
But even the best parts can fail. Being that BMW won't give us a work around in that event, a simple component failure that isn't even neccesary can stop you stranded with no hope of restarting.

This will stay with my tools on the bike (when the bike gets here).
That's a T10 for starts.

I have never had one fail, and I've go those little recalled gems in three bikes going back to 2006. That said, they didn't have time to do the recalls for one of my trips this past month, so the tech was very nice and left the ticket open and gave me one for the trip. She showed me that you don't have to replace it, just plug the spare in somewhere near the key, it will pick up the field, shit will work and everything is fine without actually replacing the old one.

+55K miles and haven't had one bite me yet. :knockingonwood
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:22 AM   #17
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Ya I know, the problem has supposedly been solved........
But even the best parts can fail. Being that BMW won't give us a work around in that event, a simple component failure that isn't even neccesary can stop you stranded with no hope of restarting.

This will stay with my tools on the bike (when the bike gets here).
What is that? I tried to find that part number on several dealer websites but it wasn't listed.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:42 AM   #18
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What is that? I tried to find that part number on several dealer websites but it wasn't listed.
It's the antenna ring. There's a lot of stuff on the web with riders being stranded because of a faulty antenna ring not reading the chip in the key thereby immobilizing the motorcycle.
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Old 10-14-2008, 06:52 PM   #19
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Do you know if anyone makes a bypass for that? Anyone have any schematics... I might take a look into making one.
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Old 10-14-2008, 10:21 PM   #20
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Do you know if anyone makes a bypass for that? Anyone have any schematics... I might take a look into making one.
Dude, if you can manage that, I guarantee you'll be able to sell a shitload
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Old 10-15-2008, 06:07 AM   #21
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Here's the list I have thus far. Let me know if I missed anything.

Requirement
Use
Tool
  • Torx T10
Misc Fasteners
Wiha Topra Torx Driver Set 28295
  • Torx T15
Misc Fasteners
"
  • Torx T25
Misc Fasteners
"
  • Torx T30
Misc Fasteners
"
  • Torx T45
Misc Fasteners
Craftsman socket
  • Torx T50
Misc Fasteners
Craftsman socket
  • Metric Hex Bits
Misc Fasteners
Generic bits for topra driver
  • Philips bits
Misc Fasteners
Generic bits for topra driver
  • Slotted bits
Misc Fasteners
Generic bits for topra driver
  • 3/8" Drive Ratchet
Sockets

  • Ratchet Extension
Misc

  • 17mm Socket
Front Wheel

  • Spark plug socket
Spark plug removal
????
  • 10mm Wrench
Misc

  • 13mm Wrench
Chain adjusters

  • 22mm Wrench
Rear wheel

  • Torx E8 Socket
Handlebars

  • Torx E10 Socket
Gear lever

  • Adjustable Wrench
Misc
Craftsman Pro
  • 3 Tire levers
Tire repair
Aerostich Ti Levers
  • Valve Core Tool
Tire repair
Camel Valve Core Tool
  • Air pump
Tire repair
Compressor
  • Tire Patch Kit
Tire repair
Generic patch kit
  • Locktite
Misc
Locktite Blue
  • LED Headlamp
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:45 AM   #22
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more tools

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Here's the list I have thus far. Let me know if I missed anything.
24mm socket/wrench for oil change

Suggestions:
MotionPro combo box end/tire tools to save weight and room.
http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/...6_combo_lever/
MotionPro ratchet that fit above wrenches
http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/...6_combo_lever/
Also consider the bead popper
http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/...o_bead_popper/
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Old 10-15-2008, 08:57 AM   #23
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Here's the list I have thus far. Let me know if I missed anything.
itsatdm's first post in this thread included the T40 and T55, which are not on your list, but didn't include the T15 torx bit, which is. There's gotta be a definitive list here somewhere!

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Old 10-15-2008, 11:10 AM   #24
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Dude, if you can manage that, I guarantee you'll be able to sell a shitload
The problem is... it will look a little shadey selling a part to bypass an anti-theft device. Maybe I'll only make them for ADVrider folks with at least 100+ posts. (crap.. i guess I don't qualify!)
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:58 PM   #25
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The problem is... it will look a little shadey selling a part to bypass an anti-theft device. Maybe I'll only make them for ADVrider folks with at least 100+ posts. (crap.. i guess I don't qualify!)
The "anti-theft device" is a code in the key and some logic in the control unit. Replacing the antenna won't "bypass" it.

But, without the antenna (or with a damaged one), the control unit won't be able to read the code from the key and the bike will not start.

BTW, the part costs around $ 35.00. It's the same that has been giving 1200 GS users trouble for years ...
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Old 10-15-2008, 07:43 PM   #26
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Hold on a minute...

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Originally Posted by RedHawk47
24mm socket/wrench for oil change

Suggestions:
MotionPro combo box end/tire tools to save weight and room.
http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/...6_combo_lever/
MotionPro ratchet that fit above wrenches
http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/...6_combo_lever/
Also consider the bead popper
http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/...o_bead_popper/

First up, has anyone removed the axle nut with a 22mm wrench? I've measured it twice with my el-cheapo caliper and it comes up 24mm. I have a closed-end Sears combo with 22 & 24mm ends. The 22 doesn't fit, the 24 goes on but seems a little loose. Problem: the nut is not only embedded in the chain adjuster, but is rounded on the outside so there's not much to grab ahold of.

I have a 24mm MotionPro tire spoon combo and it won't go on at all because the aluminum wrench is even thicker that a steel one. But I'll keep it if it fits my DR-Z. Second problem: if you do buy a 22mm MotionPro, the 3/8" ratchet adapter won't fit.

To confound things a bit more, I slipped a 15/16" socket on the sucker and it was a bit loose. Odd, since it should be 23.8125mm if my conversion program is any good.

Possible solution: Rider's Wrench by Fredette, http://www.mooseracing.com/catalog.j..._group_id=7506, which comes in a 17/24mm combo. Only question is if it will fit in the space available. Otherwise, I see a 24mm 3/8" socket in my future.

Finally, if you buy the BMW skid plate, toss in a 13mm socket for the recessed nuts that hold it on.
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Old 10-15-2008, 09:18 PM   #27
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i tightened my chain with a motion pro no problem.
it fits on the nut ok.
to be honest, I can't remember what size it is, I got it for my '06 F650, and tried it on the 800 and it worked fine
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:19 AM   #28
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The Motion Pro hex axle tool is a nogo on the rear axle. No problem here with my Snapon or Craftsman 24mm sockets, definitely the right one.
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Old 10-16-2008, 07:39 AM   #29
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I have a 24mm MotionPro tire spoon combo and it won't go on at all because the aluminum wrench is even thicker that a steel one. But I'll keep it if it fits my DR-Z. Second problem: if you do buy a 22mm MotionPro, the 3/8" ratchet adapter won't fit.
Yeah, I was trying everything out yesterday (my original list was from UKGS'er and compiled while I was on the road away from my bike) and I realized it's a 24mm bolt on the rear wheel. I have a 24mm craftsman wrench that fit it reasonably well but there did see to me a tiny bit of play. I also found that the only "real" tool BMW includes with the F800 is a 17mm wrench for the front wheel. I guess German Engineering (TM) prevents any damage to the rear tire alleviating the need for any tools on that side of the bike.

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Finally, if you buy the BMW skid plate, toss in a 13mm socket for the recessed nuts that hold it on.
Good point, I've added that to my list. I'll try and post an updated list later today.
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Old 10-16-2008, 07:43 AM   #30
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The "anti-theft device" is a code in the key and some logic in the control unit. Replacing the antenna won't "bypass" it.

But, without the antenna (or with a damaged one), the control unit won't be able to read the code from the key and the bike will not start.

BTW, the part costs around $ 35.00. It's the same that has been giving 1200 GS users trouble for years ...
Someone posted a flowchart of how the EWS works. All the "magic" happens in the computer, in an encrypted section of it's logic. All the antenna does is say "The key reports it's code as 1234" to the ECU, where the ECU does it's thing then tells the engine it's OK to start.

It's apparently similar to the system used in BMW cars and not something that you can bypass unless you can reprogram an encrypted portion of the ECU, or completely take the ECU out of the loop. If you can do that, you should probably go work for the NSA!
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