ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > GSpot > Parallel Universe
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10-05-2008, 08:06 AM   #1
AngryRed OP
Lost in Cyber Space
 
AngryRed's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: Vegas, yeah woo...
Oddometer: 365
800GS Charcoal Canister

Anyone ripped out the charcoal canister on their F800GS yet? Not so crazy about them to begin with especially when the bike goes sideways on the dirt and the 800's is actually zip tied to the frame

Just wondering if there are things to be aware of if I rip it out espcially with electronics.

Thanks.
__________________
--------------------


2013 Super Tenere
AngryRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 06:20 AM   #2
JRWooden
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Location: The great state of confusion
Oddometer: 4,163
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryRed
Anyone ripped out the charcoal canister on their F800GS yet? Not so crazy about them to begin with especially when the bike goes sideways on the dirt and the 800's is actually zip tied to the frame

Just wondering if there are things to be aware of if I rip it out espcially with electronics.

Thanks.
Hey you gotta admit it is better than the "fashion statement" made by the G650XCountry canister ???

Over on the Chain gang http://f650.com/ there is a thread on disconnecting it.... Not sure what the warranty implications might be ...

Edit: Sorry let me clarify the append ... I don't think there is any 800GS specific info there but I was told that the "connections" to the canister are the same so that the method of removal would work on the 658/800 twins that is hear-say but probably a decent place to start...

Jim

Jim

JRWooden screwed with this post 10-06-2008 at 03:01 PM
JRWooden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 07:44 AM   #3
Monkey_Boy
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Oddometer: 7,469
The canister simply filters fume emissions from the gas tank. It does not affect engine performance one way or another. So why remove it?
Monkey_Boy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 09:01 AM   #4
CrazyMike
***42***
 
CrazyMike's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: South Cackalacka
Oddometer: 895
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryRed
Anyone ripped out the charcoal canister on their F800GS yet? Not so crazy about them to begin with especially when the bike goes sideways on the dirt and the 800's is actually zip tied to the frame

Just wondering if there are things to be aware of if I rip it out espcially with electronics.

Thanks.
Yep....
Only issue is increasing the length of the fuel vent hose to drain to the bottom of the motorcycle. Don't forget to leave the check valve in or you could get a siphon effect.
__________________
Mike
--------------------------------------------
1999 BMW R1200C
2009 BMW F800GS
WANTED: Kawasaki ZRX 1200R
CrazyMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 09:02 AM   #5
CrazyMike
***42***
 
CrazyMike's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: South Cackalacka
Oddometer: 895
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy
The canister simply filters fume emissions from the gas tank. It does not affect engine performance one way or another. So why remove it?
I removed mine to be able to fit the F800GS specific ScottOiler.
__________________
Mike
--------------------------------------------
1999 BMW R1200C
2009 BMW F800GS
WANTED: Kawasaki ZRX 1200R
CrazyMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 10:19 AM   #6
AngryRed OP
Lost in Cyber Space
 
AngryRed's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: Vegas, yeah woo...
Oddometer: 365
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy
The canister simply filters fume emissions from the gas tank. It does not affect engine performance one way or another. So why remove it?
I don't want to turn this into another "why remove it" debate thread, there are already a few of those active.

Short answer though is so it doesn't fill with fuel or water and cause issues.
__________________
--------------------


2013 Super Tenere
AngryRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 10:21 AM   #7
AngryRed OP
Lost in Cyber Space
 
AngryRed's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: Vegas, yeah woo...
Oddometer: 365
Thanks for the info guys, I'll also check out the chain gang site, didn't think about that.
__________________
--------------------


2013 Super Tenere
AngryRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2008, 07:14 AM   #8
PackMule
love what you do
 
PackMule's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: New Hampshah
Oddometer: 19,459
Quote:
Originally Posted by are12c
I removed mine to be able to fit the F800GS specific ScottOiler.


Got pics and/or a description of what you did?
__________________
Nate in N.E.

Yes, I have a Dakar problem -- that there are 50 weeks of the year without Dakar!

They don't expect you to finish. That's why it's the Dakar. -- PPiA
PackMule is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-07-2008, 08:04 AM   #9
CrazyMike
***42***
 
CrazyMike's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: South Cackalacka
Oddometer: 895
Directions (Sorry, no pics)

It was a pretty simple exercise. I've removed the canisters on my R1200C, R1150RT and my girlfriend's F650ST before so I used those examples as a template.

First:
Remove the countershaft sprocket cover (three torx screws), the two black triangular shaped covers (held on by one torx screw) on each side of the motorcycle and unbolt the rectifier (two screws) and it's mounting plate (two screws) from the frame.

Second:
Track all of the hoses to find out where they lead. There are four hoses:
- Fuel Tank vent hose (this hose is actually two hoses; a short one, a long one and a check valve between them). The long hose travels under the seat to the rear of the motorcycle on the right hand side, makes a u-turn before you come to the check valve (zip tied to the rear sub-frame), then the short hose to the fuel tank.
- Carbon Canister drain hose
- A hose from the differential pressure switch to the canister
- A hose from a bung between the throttle body supply to the differential pressure switch

On the left side of the motorcycle (as viewed when sitting on the motorcycle) directly behind the cover that you removed earlier will be the differential pressure switch. Just remove the hoses and put plug caps over the open ports on the switch. Replace the cover.

On the right side of the motorcycle, clip the zip ties and unplug any remaining hoses on top of the canister. I removed miy canister from the motorcycle through the space where the countershaft sprocket cover was removed. It's a little tight but I was still able to remove it via this space.

At this point, you should still have one hose coming from the rear of the motorcycle (the fuel tank vent) and one hose coming from a point in the center of the motorycle behind the cylinder heads. The fuel tank vent hose is not long enough to drain to the ground so you will need to replace this hose after the check valve with sufficient length to drain to the ground. (Approximately 4 feet of hose will be necessary to route to the same point as the original drain point.) The other hose coming from the throttle bodies will need to be removed and either the bung should be capped or used for the ScottOiler (if you're going that route).

Zip tie any loose hoses, replace the rectifer mounting plate and rectifier, and replace the remaining two covers.
__________________
Mike
--------------------------------------------
1999 BMW R1200C
2009 BMW F800GS
WANTED: Kawasaki ZRX 1200R
CrazyMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2008, 02:16 PM   #10
AngryRed OP
Lost in Cyber Space
 
AngryRed's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: Vegas, yeah woo...
Oddometer: 365
Nice... Thanks are12c.
__________________
--------------------


2013 Super Tenere
AngryRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2008, 06:18 PM   #11
Dieselboy
Journey not Destination
 
Dieselboy's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Location: Port of the Gasparilla
Oddometer: 1,122
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryRed
Nice... Thanks are12c.
Ok, AngryRed, now you have to follow through with pictures....
__________________
Dieselboy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Adventure Continues
Dieselboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2008, 06:29 PM   #12
jetdocX
Orange Curious
 
jetdocX's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Location: San Ramon, CA
Oddometer: 694
Don't forget that tampering with the emission control devices is probably illegal and will most certainly make your bike un-registerable in CA.

Just sayin'. I know the illegal part is a lot like the matress police thing, but #2 might be a problem selling your bike to a Californian.
__________________
From parts unknown.
jetdocX is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2008, 06:38 PM   #13
AngryRed OP
Lost in Cyber Space
 
AngryRed's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: Vegas, yeah woo...
Oddometer: 365
Quote:
Originally Posted by jetdocX
Don't forget that tampering with the emission control devices is probably illegal and will most certainly make your bike un-registerable in CA.

Just sayin'. I know the illegal part is a lot like the matress police thing, but #2 might be a problem selling your bike to a Californian.
Honestly Jet, I'm saying this with all due respect but I have bought and sold two dozen bikes in Ca. and never once has the DMV guy behind the counter come outside to see if my bike had a charcoal canister. Even in Nevada where I now live and vehicles are subject to inspection, bikes are exempt.

Again I'm saying this with respect, but I'm looking for answers on actually removing the canister, not the ethical ramifications of doing so.

Ride on my friend.
__________________
--------------------


2013 Super Tenere
AngryRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2008, 06:38 PM   #14
AngryRed OP
Lost in Cyber Space
 
AngryRed's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: Vegas, yeah woo...
Oddometer: 365
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dieselboy
Ok, AngryRed, now you have to follow through with pictures....
Dieselboy my good man... er boy, when I do so I will definitely document the process!

__________________
--------------------


2013 Super Tenere
AngryRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-08-2008, 07:07 PM   #15
jetdocX
Orange Curious
 
jetdocX's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Location: San Ramon, CA
Oddometer: 694
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryRed
Honestly Jet, I'm saying this with all due respect but I have bought and sold two dozen bikes in Ca. and never once has the DMV guy behind the counter come outside to see if my bike had a charcoal canister. Even in Nevada where I now live and vehicles are subject to inspection, bikes are exempt.

Again I'm saying this with respect, but I'm looking for answers on actually removing the canister, not the ethical ramifications of doing so.

Ride on my friend.
I have zero ethical problem with you doing so. I own a bike which has had this canister-ectomy. Previously registered in CA. What prevents them from actually checking in the future? It's really not that hard to do, right? I suggest that if you do this mod, hold on to the bits you remove so you can put them back on when/if you sell. That's all.
__________________
From parts unknown.
jetdocX is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 02:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014