I can't believe it...2007 Uly-Pirelli on the front and dunlop on the back!!!

shocker · 10-20-2008, 07:40 PM

I have just over 1000 k's on my Uly. I noticed in corners it just didn't inspire a lot of confidence...like my KLR did!

Everytime I cleaned the bike I kept looking at those ugly stick on weights on the back rim and thought why would buell do such a thing?

Today I had it in for service. I took it in a little early (instead of 1,600 km). I was unloading it from the trailer and looked at the front rim...at the Pirelli tire and thought I should send in my warranty card for my pirelli's.

I went to the back and unlooped the tie down strap I had through the back rim and thought "HOLY shit...thats a fuking Dunlop!"

I bought the bike new from the Harely shop (3 1/2 hrs away) and it had 80 k's on it. They said it was used at a couple of shows and they drove it there. I think what happened is they got a flat, changed the tire to the Dunlop and balanced it.

That would explain why it just didn't "feel right" in the corners.

The shop I took it today checked the tire pressure and they didn't even notice it. If I call them and tell them I want a new tire I wonder if they will try to send me back to the dealership saying they did it. I think Buell should handle this as warranty. In my manual it shows the spec for Pirelli tires...so they better not try and say "its okay, keeping riding it".

I'm pissed off

RedUly · 10-21-2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by shocker

I think what happened is they got a flat, changed the tire to the Dunlop and balanced it.

Quote:

If I call them and tell them I want a new tire I wonder if they will try to send me back to the dealership saying they did it. I think Buell should handle this as warranty. In my manual it shows the spec for Pirelli tires...so they better not try and say "its okay, keeping riding it".

I'm pissed off

It's always upsetting to buy one thing and get something else. I can understand why you're pissed off.

But make sure you're pissed off at the right people. It's the dealership that sold it to you that screwed it up, they are probably the ones that you need to fix it.

I'm assuming it's a Dunlop 616 tire. They were the OEM tires on the 06 models. They had problems with the front causing strange handling problems as the tires wore. Not that you shouldn't expect to get the right tire, but the D616 rear is pretty good. I doubt it is the cause of the handling issues you mentioned. Did you set up the suspension using the table in your owners manual?

JamesG · 10-21-2008, 06:32 AM

I'm wondering how you can be upset with a shop when YOU didn't notice that it had mis-matched tires for a thousand kilometers...

Did you buy the bike as used or new? New you might have a leg to stand on, used, nope. If you are lucky they might replace it gratis, but they really aren't obligated to do so.

shocker · 10-21-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesG

I'm wondering how you can be upset with a shop when YOU didn't notice that it had mis-matched tires for a thousand kilometers...

Did you buy the bike as used or new? New you might have a leg to stand on, used, nope. If you are lucky they might replace it gratis, but they really aren't obligated to do so.

It was a new bike man! 80 k's on it...it was a demo. As far as ME not noticing it...ya right. I look at my tires for abnormal wear and air pressure. I wouldn't think in a million years to actually look at the brand. I know it sounds odd but think about it. They looked like brand new tires and when you are not used to the tire brand you don't even think about it.

I raised a bit of shit today. The dealership said Harley does that sometimes...when they run out of one brand they put on another. I told them bullshit. I've been riding for 25 years. Everyone knows you never mix tire types...especially a sport touring tire in the front and an aggressive tire like the 06 Dunlop.

After talking with the dealership...they had a nail in the tire soon after putting it out for demo and changed the tire...idiots put the wrong tire on.

shocker · 10-21-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jlnance

It's always upsetting to buy one thing and get something else. I can understand why you're pissed off.

But make sure you're pissed off at the right people. It's the dealership that sold it to you that screwed it up, they are probably the ones that you need to fix it.

I'm assuming it's a Dunlop 616 tire. They were the OEM tires on the 06 models. They had problems with the front causing strange handling problems as the tires wore. Not that you shouldn't expect to get the right tire, but the D616 rear is pretty good. I doubt it is the cause of the handling issues you mentioned. Did you set up the suspension using the table in your owners manual?

Yes I did. Its not the suspension. Its two different tire profiles

G.Gordon · 10-21-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shocker

Yes I did. Its not the suspension. Its two different tire profiles

I don't know shit about your bike.. and maybe I should stop right there, but I'm not. Sounds like you're trying to find something to whine about. It's a different bike from what you're used to therefore it handles differently. I'd doubt the tire is the issue.

Don't expect a certain bike behavior and you'll enjoy the ride more.

And as far as what I quoted: That's like me saying the tourance, trailwing, battlewing, distanzia, etc. have different profiles. They don't. Are they exactly the same... NO. Are they materially different enough to cause me to experience different ride character out of my bike... I doubt it. So Parelli sounds more exotic than Dunlop.... big whoop.

shocker · 10-21-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by G.Gordon

I don't know shit about your bike.. and maybe I should stop right there, but I'm not. Sounds like you're trying to find something to whine about. It's a different bike from what you're used to therefore it handles differently. I'd doubt the tire is the issue.

Don't expect a certain bike behavior and you'll enjoy the ride more.

And as far as what I quoted: That's like me saying the tourance, trailwing, battlewing, distanzia, etc. have different profiles. They don't. Are they exactly the same... NO. Are they materially different enough to cause me to experience different ride character out of my bike... I doubt it. So Parelli sounds more exotic than Dunlop.... big whoop.

I just looked at your profile and it states you just got into riding ...so I better understand your comment.

Just so you know, you never mix two different tire types. Different tire types have different tire characteristics. As far as me whining...I bought a new bike. New bikes come with the same tire on the front and on the rear.

You don't even own a Buell so how can you comment?

I wonder if I looked through your 6000 plus posts if I'd find you bitching about wind buffeting. I'll go look, talk to you in a few weeks when I'm done

Your comments scream "bike nooB"

JamesG · 10-21-2008, 07:55 PM

Different brands, and even models within brands have different profiles and construction that can and do affect handling (usually adversely) when worn not to mention mix-matched. Buell geometry applifies this. So I can believe the bike handling like poo, with the wrong tires.

Glad the dealer agreed to man up for the mistake. Understandable. The average Harley, and its owner probably, would be oblivious to mixed up tires. But Buells are not Harleys.

danger_dave · 10-21-2008, 08:05 PM

I've run that combination of tyres. It was fine on my bike.

Florida Lime · 10-21-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shocker

Everyone knows you never mix tire types...especially a sport touring tire in the front and an aggressive tire like the 06 Dunlop.

After talking with the dealership...they had a nail in the tire soon after putting it out for demo and changed the tire...idiots put the wrong tire on.

If it is the Pirelli Sync in front and the Dunlop 616 in back, don't worry about it; they are not 2 different types of tires. I ran the same combination on my '07 Uly when I needed to replace the rear Pirelli, and found a deal on the rear 616.

Other than the Dunlop wearing too quickly on Florida roads, I had NO problems with handling. And before someone thinks "Florida - flat, no wonder" -- that was touching down the footpegs in the turns (exit and entrance ramps

) same as the stock '07 set-up.

shocker · 10-21-2008, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesG

Different brands, and even models within brands have different profiles and construction that can and do affect handling (usually adversely) when worn not to mention mix-matched. Buell geometry applifies this. So I can believe the bike handling like poo, with the wrong tires.

Glad the dealer agreed to man up for the mistake. Understandable. The average Harley, and its owner probably, would be oblivious to mixed up tires. But Buells are not Harleys.

Actually, the dealer told me that even Harley's are sensitive to tire differences...even though they drive in straight lines most of the time. You are very correct, suspension settings really make a difference on the Buell.

My other bike is an SV1000. My front Michelin cupped badly...I think because I didn't run it with high enough pressure (I followed the manual recommendations instead of whats on the tire). I let go of the bars one day coasting down from about 40 miles an hour and almost got in a tank slapper. Changed the front tire after trying to solve it with tire pressure. The cupping on the tire caused that much of an issue

shocker · 10-21-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida Lime

If it is the Pirelli Sync in front and the Dunlop 616 in back, don't worry about it; they are not 2 different types of tires. I ran the same combination on my '07 Uly when I needed to replace the rear Pirelli, and found a deal on the rear 616.

Other than the Dunlop wearing too quickly on Florida roads, I had NO problems with handling. And before someone thinks "Florida - flat, no wonder" -- that was touching down the footpegs in the turns (exit and entrance ramps

) same as the stock '07 set-up.

I actually like the looks of the Dunlop. And maybe its my suspension set-up. My biggest issue is I bought a new bike. 07 buells come with Scorpions front and back. If they had changed both tires to a Dunlop...I probably would have accepted that.

shocker · 10-21-2008, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Florida Lime

If it is the Pirelli Sync in front and the Dunlop 616 in back, don't worry about it; they are not 2 different types of tires. I ran the same combination on my '07 Uly when I needed to replace the rear Pirelli, and found a deal on the rear 616.

Other than the Dunlop wearing too quickly on Florida roads, I had NO problems with handling. And before someone thinks "Florida - flat, no wonder" -- that was touching down the footpegs in the turns (exit and entrance ramps

) same as the stock '07 set-up.

Check out this review on both tires....

http://www.canyonchasers.net/reviews.../d616vSync.php

Here is a quote from that review:

Immediately, the Dunlop’s feel dramatically different than the Sync's. The tire is instantly less neutral with a much more noticeable profile. The tires feel rock stable while riding in straight lines, and every bit as good while at full tilt. The problem lies with how the tire feels during gentle sweeping corners; during more relaxed cornering activities the tire feels skittish and wanders inexcusably. It feels as though the tire has a distinct shoulder and as long as you stay off of this "shoulder" the tire is fine. However that just isn't practical.

Florida Lime · 10-21-2008, 08:28 PM

Keep in mind that the review you quoted ran a pair of Pirellis, and a pair of Dunlops.
General consensus is that it is the front Dunlop 616 that causes the problems with skittish handling, and the dreaded 'weave'.

Front Sync and rear 616 was a good combination from my experience.

tcourdin · 10-21-2008, 08:39 PM

I'd probably be pissed if I bought a new bike and found out it had two different tires. I'm an anal prick though and would have noticed the tires before it left the store!

On my streetbikes and rockets I always run the same brand front and rear. On my dirt bikes and dual sports anything goes.

10-20-2008, 07:40 PM	#1
shocker ^OP Sir Flips-Alots Friend Joined: Sep 2007 Location: Stony Mountain, Manitoba Oddometer: 125	I can't believe it...2007 Uly-Pirelli on the front and dunlop on the back!!! I have just over 1000 k's on my Uly. I noticed in corners it just didn't inspire a lot of confidence...like my KLR did! Everytime I cleaned the bike I kept looking at those ugly stick on weights on the back rim and thought why would buell do such a thing? Today I had it in for service. I took it in a little early (instead of 1,600 km). I was unloading it from the trailer and looked at the front rim...at the Pirelli tire and thought I should send in my warranty card for my pirelli's. I went to the back and unlooped the tie down strap I had through the back rim and thought "HOLY shit...thats a fuking Dunlop!" I bought the bike new from the Harely shop (3 1/2 hrs away) and it had 80 k's on it. They said it was used at a couple of shows and they drove it there. I think what happened is they got a flat, changed the tire to the Dunlop and balanced it. That would explain why it just didn't "feel right" in the corners. The shop I took it today checked the tire pressure and they didn't even notice it. If I call them and tell them I want a new tire I wonder if they will try to send me back to the dealership saying they did it. I think Buell should handle this as warranty. In my manual it shows the spec for Pirelli tires...so they better not try and say "its okay, keeping riding it". I'm pissed off __________________ If it ain't broken...modify it!

10-21-2008, 08:05 PM	#9
danger_dave Home again Joined: Jan 2004 Location: Brisbane, Quinslund Oddometer: 3,052	I've run that combination of tyres. It was fine on my bike. __________________ Dave's Place

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10-21-2008, 06:32 AM	#3
JamesG Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Columbus, GA Oddometer: 10,751	I'm wondering how you can be upset with a shop when YOU didn't notice that it had mis-matched tires for a thousand kilometers... Did you buy the bike as used or new? New you might have a leg to stand on, used, nope. If you are lucky they might replace it gratis, but they really aren't obligated to do so.

10-21-2008, 07:55 PM	#8
JamesG Beastly Adventurer Joined: Dec 2006 Location: Columbus, GA Oddometer: 10,751	Different brands, and even models within brands have different profiles and construction that can and do affect handling (usually adversely) when worn not to mention mix-matched. Buell geometry applifies this. So I can believe the bike handling like poo, with the wrong tires. Glad the dealer agreed to man up for the mistake. Understandable. The average Harley, and its owner probably, would be oblivious to mixed up tires. But Buells are not Harleys.

10-21-2008, 08:28 PM	#14
Florida Lime Beastly Adventurer Joined: Sep 2008 Location: As stated, and as often as possible -R'ville, N.C. Oddometer: 1,569	Keep in mind that the review you quoted ran a pair of Pirellis, and a pair of Dunlops. General consensus is that it is the front Dunlop 616 that causes the problems with skittish handling, and the dreaded 'weave'. Front Sync and rear 616 was a good combination from my experience.

10-21-2008, 08:39 PM	#15
tcourdin Resident Spooner Joined: Apr 2008 Location: Arkansas Oddometer: 9,027	I'd probably be pissed if I bought a new bike and found out it had two different tires. I'm an anal prick though and would have noticed the tires before it left the store! On my streetbikes and rockets I always run the same brand front and rear. On my dirt bikes and dual sports anything goes.