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Old 06-18-2012, 12:39 PM   #6676
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I've done that too on smaller boats.

You'd be surprised how big of a sailing vessel (think old Euro fishing boats before the age of engines) can be moved with big oars.

Also a single stern mounted scull or yuloh in Asia is quite effective at moving big boats in Asian countries and the Middle East. I've always wanted to make and try one, but never got around to it - yet.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:54 PM   #6677
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Mark,
I had a Paceship 19, similar but with more sail. What a hoot in a good breeze. If only 2 on board, needed a trapeze. Otherwise, needed at least 3 aboard to hold it down. Loved the sound of the rigging "whining" in a stiff breeze. Maybe a ballasted centerboard would have helped.

It, however, was the major contributor to my chronic lower back problems - which plague me to this day.
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:07 PM   #6678
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Dick, My last daysailer was an AMF Alcort Sunbird - the 16ft version of the PY19, and with a bare cuddy, of course. It was a lot of fun and I did some mods to it. Eventually I poured about 400 lbs of concrete around the centerboard trunk and under the deck. Stiffened it up nicely.

I was going to look at a Paceship PY23 up in Sanford, but it looked like too much "fixer upper" even for the $1800 the seller was asking. And it likely weighed a little more than I want to tow and launch with the Jeep.

This GC 20 ought to scoot in a good breeze. I'm playing around with the rigging for stepping the mast and double checking all the working rigging at my leisure (while looking at the front tire sitting in the living room waiting to go onto the F 650). I'm hoping to get the mast sorted to where I can step it myself safely. I can put it up, but don't have the leverage from where I have to stand to get the heel onto the step. I have an A-frame gin pole rig that came with the boat and reportedly worked. But I want to tidy up a few bits on it before trying it.

I hate to even think about the routine maintenance the R80 ST needs on top of the stuff for the F 650. Too much distraction playing with the new toy.
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:14 PM   #6679
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Mark, I know the week that JoLinda and I came over there

You could have sailed at 20 knots on the river
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:16 PM   #6680
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Nice boat Mark. I had a Precision 21 when I was in Orlando. I loved it but frankly it became too much of a PITA to use much. Hauling it was a chore and set up and take down time was about an hour, and the kids got bored with sailing so I sold her. If I ever get another it will be at a dock ready to go. I suppose I'll need to make more money so I could finance such a thing.
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Old 06-18-2012, 05:08 PM   #6681
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I know exactly what you mean, Bob. I've built four boats(8' - 24') to plans from one of my favorite naval architects, Philip Bolger. One of his axioms is the the smaller the boat, the more likely it will get used more often. I cannot argue with his logic/reasoning for that statement. And you summed it up pretty well from your experience.

While I was looking for something to sail casually, I also wanted something just big enough to head out on an afternoon before a full or nearly so moon, fish into the night, sail and fish some more the next day, and so on. A new pattern for me. But one that I miss from my powerboating days when stationed in Key West.

So I'm hoping that by changing my expectations and usage patterns, I can make the 45+ minute launch routine give me a reasonable return on boating time. The nice thing in my favour is that I have a good launch ramp about six minutes from the house. So the big time expenditures will be up to me to minimize. And the short trip to the ramp means some things can be short-cutted ahead of time to ready the boat as opposed to keeping it secured for a long haul to launch point.

Something else I hope to cash in on is the huge no-motor area just north of here and adjacent to the Space Center. This boat is supposedly pretty fast and is very shoal draft. There should be some fish up there waiting for me.

This evening I went out and measured the mast length and W/L to mast step height. Oddly enough neither spec is given in the original company brochures, nor anywhere else online. Mast length came in at 24' 01 1/4" plus 3' 00" above waterline for 27' 1 1/4" total height. No probs with any of my nearby bridges.

I'll have more drivel after tomorrow, I'm sure.
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Old 06-18-2012, 08:49 PM   #6682
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I'm thinking that trolling a jig behind while leisurly sailing

just offshore here in the gulf

Could bring many grouper sammiches too
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Old 06-19-2012, 05:53 AM   #6683
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I'm thinking that trolling a jig behind while leisurly sailing

just offshore here in the gulf

Could bring many grouper sammiches too
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:41 AM   #6684
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Nice boat Mark. I had a Precision 21 when I was in Orlando. I loved it but frankly it became too much of a PITA to use much. Hauling it was a chore and set up and take down time was about an hour, and the kids got bored with sailing so I sold her. If I ever get another it will be at a dock ready to go. I suppose I'll need to make more money so I could finance such a thing.
Complete 180° for me... I fished my 28' Mako 2-3 times a month. My 17' Carolina Skiff hasn't seen the water in nearly a year.... It's almost scallop season though
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Old 06-20-2012, 04:30 PM   #6685
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I'm thinking that trolling a jig behind while leisurly sailing

just offshore here in the gulf

Could bring many grouper sammiches too
Yep, two modes to troll in the rivers(lagoons) here: trolling under sail and controlling sail speed with sail trim; Or drifting and bouncing jigs across the grass flats. Lots of trout hide right at the edge of white sand holes in the grass. Unfortunately, most are undersized.

Its been weird over here. When I first moved here in 1988 it was not uncommon to find a school of black drum in the Banana River near the locks of 1000 or more fish. Snook were rare - you had to go to Sebastian Inlet to catch them. Now, black drum are rare and snook are getting plentiful in hidden creek and canal mouths all over the place. Some tarpon in canals too, which surprises me this far north.

The cool thing about this boat (or any this size) is that if I want to go out under power alone, no problem. Like having two boats for the price of one.


More drivel: After going through the paper trail on the boat I called a gentleman whose name appeared on some receipts in the chain of paperwork. He confirmed he was the 3rd owner, loved the boat, and would actually like to have it back. He confirmed my assessment of the ownership trail which makes me the 5th owner. I've now talked with 2 of the 4 previous owners and all the input is really good. The gentleman I spoke with also said this boat is a rocket - he raced it in club racing series and usually trounced the competition. All is good.
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:48 AM   #6686
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Sittin' here wondering where Jerry and Kim are at

Dayum connection this morning really sucks due to the weather
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Old 06-24-2012, 04:50 AM   #6687
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Anyone else have satellite internet?

With today's weather

Surprised there's service at all

When I look at the size dish the cable peeps use

Can't help but wonder if larger home dishes might help with signal
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Old 06-24-2012, 05:32 AM   #6688
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Anyone else have satellite internet?

With today's weather

Surprised there's service at all

When I look at the size dish the cable peeps use

Can't help but wonder if larger home dishes might help with signal
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Old 06-24-2012, 07:06 AM   #6689
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:08 AM   #6690
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Lovely weather over here - grass looks great! Weeds are growing even faster than the grass.

Went out and lowered the mast on the boat a while ago before the rain and wind start to pick up more. At least now I know I can get the mast up and back down myself with just a helper to pin/unpin the forestay clevis. It only weighs about 25 lbs, but when you are near the bottom end lifting all 24' 1" through 45 degrees, the leverage is in the mast's favor.
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