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Old 07-03-2012, 08:39 AM   #26071
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Thanks for your answer. I appreciate your candor and under the same circumstances, I'd probably do the same.

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I'll also chime in here since I have been carrying a gun since about 1976 off and on. Now I carry every day every where I go except for the places unlawfull to do so. I'll first address the question about Sears, if one KNEW there was a place or places where crime doesn't exist, one could decide where not to carry so that is kind of a moot question. My point is no one knows where an incident will happen. And Sears is the same as anywhere to be factual. We have the right to carry to defend ourselves, family, and if needed law enforcement and civilians around us. As such, when one takes on the absolute responsibility to carry a firearm, one takes that on knowing what the laws and consequences are should they ever NEED to use the gun. Without getting into all the naysayers so called logic, which is all based on knee jerk incorrect or made up facts, I'll stick to the reason why we carry.

One never knows when a wacko is going to attack them or someone else. So if one is WELL TRAINED and carries a gun, they have a lot more potential to protect themselves than someone who has no weapons at all. I could state probabilities and scenarios all day and some might but the bottom line is, I'd rather be armed and trained in the event of an incident than unarmed and at the mercy (or lack of) when a criminal decides to strike. I have personally had incidents which I won't get into where having a gun on me stopped crimes in at least 20 instances. So there is a little factoid to ponder as well. BTW I am talking in the civilian world here not my short combat experiences in the Army.
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Old 07-03-2012, 08:41 AM   #26072
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That said, if I could carry a thigh rig while riding without in some way compromising the integrity of my femur in a crash I probably would.
After a crash in December, I realized that having something in my jacket pocket wasn't such a bad thing. I had a camera in one pocket and a big phone in the other, both of which escaped unharmed, and didn't hurt me one bit.

So now my Kimber Solo or my Keltec P3 ride with me in my jacket pocket.



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Old 07-03-2012, 08:46 AM   #26073
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Have you had any range time with a SP101 though? A 6-shot revolver with a 4" barrel will just be a range toy, but that's probably 99% of what it needs to do. If a SP101 is as much fun to shoot, I'd rather get one of those so I can have a little more function.

If I got a S&W it would be one of these:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...s_id/411545790
I own two SP101s, a 3" gun in 357, and a 4" .22LR. I like them both although the triggers are heavy and need work, and compared to almost any S&W are damned rough. The 357 is nice to shoot with 38s, kicks a fair bit with magnums.

You mentioned in an earlier post that you wanted to get something in addition to the GP100 that was concealable. While concealing a 4" barrel gun is certainly possible, and quite a few people do it, most tend to tilt to a shorter barrel. My personal favorite is this:



Model 66 2.5", this one is 1980 vintage. I don't shoot a lot of magnums out of it, but it'll eat 38s all day long and is just very nice handling and more accurate than any short-barreled revolver I've ever fired. I consider the S&W 19/66 to be the best balanced and nicest shooting revolvers ever made. As they say about them on the S&W Forum, "everything you need and nothing you don't!" Amen.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:25 AM   #26074
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No, but I don't talk to everyone I see either. I guess if I acted like a jackass I'd get more negative reactions.
If you can tell someone is CCW that person is not doing it right. Now if you have some sort of sixth sense, that is fine too. However, anyone carrying a firearm doesn't want anyone to KNOW they are CCW so never mention it to them or begin a converstaiton about guns with them unless you are away from anyone else.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:27 AM   #26075
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This makes me feel all OOOGLY inside...
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:31 AM   #26076
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Kind of like when I sling my Drag-bag over my shoulders for a short ride to the range...
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:11 AM   #26077
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If you can tell someone is CCW that person is not doing it right. Now if you have some sort of sixth sense, that is fine too.
I disagree. I think through training and practice people develop skills and get better at things. Being able to tell if someone is carrying is one of those skills that can be developed.

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However, anyone carrying a firearm doesn't want anyone to KNOW they are CCW so never mention it to them or begin a converstaiton about guns with them unless you are away from anyone else.
Obviously.
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:31 AM   #26078
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I disagree. I think through training and practice people develop skills and get better at things. Being able to tell if someone is carrying is one of those skills that can be developed.



Obviously.
Not obvious to everyone ; someone a page or so back referenced that being able to spot the CCW crowd had led to some good gun conversations with those he spotted.

I personally can't imagine starting a conversation with someone I thought I saw print. To each their own I suppose.

Everyone should stop assuming that anything seen printing through a shirt is a roscoe. Otterbox cases are huge. People wear insulin pumps. They wear job specific multi-tools / cutters. The list goes on and on.
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Old 07-03-2012, 10:37 AM   #26079
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Not obvious to everyone ; someone a page or so back referenced that being able to spot the CCW crowd had led to some good gun conversations with those he spotted.

I personally can't imagine starting a conversation with someone I thought I saw print. To each their own I suppose.
Which I think would make it obvious. If you're going to start a conversation like that it would best to be discreet. Seems you're agreeing with sniperx, which I was agreeing with.

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Everyone should stop assuming that anything seen printing through a shirt is a roscoe. Otterbox cases are huge. People wear insulin pumps. They wear job specific multi-tools / cutters. The list goes on and on.
I can't imagine everyone, or even many, does that.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:35 AM   #26080
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I own two SP101s, a 3" gun in 357, and a 4" .22LR. I like them both although the triggers are heavy and need work, and compared to almost any S&W are damned rough. The 357 is nice to shoot with 38s, kicks a fair bit with magnums.

You mentioned in an earlier post that you wanted to get something in addition to the GP100 that was concealable. While concealing a 4" barrel gun is certainly possible, and quite a few people do it, most tend to tilt to a shorter barrel. My personal favorite is this:



Model 66 2.5", this one is 1980 vintage. I don't shoot a lot of magnums out of it, but it'll eat 38s all day long and is just very nice handling and more accurate than any short-barreled revolver I've ever fired. I consider the S&W 19/66 to be the best balanced and nicest shooting revolvers ever made. As they say about them on the S&W Forum, "everything you need and nothing you don't!" Amen.

I could not agree more. The Colt python is a close second but the 19 just feels perfect for me.
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Old 07-03-2012, 11:39 AM   #26081
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:16 PM   #26082
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I disagree. I think through training and practice people develop skills and get better at things. Being able to tell if someone is carrying is one of those skills that can be developed.



Obviously.
There are tell tale things some do whilst CCW but most who have been CCW for long don't telegraph.
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Old 07-03-2012, 02:17 PM   #26083
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Um, I feel he is talking about a different type of "Drag Bag" than you are thinking.
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Old 07-03-2012, 05:51 PM   #26084
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:22 PM   #26085
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Have you had any range time with a SP101 though? A 6-shot revolver with a 4" barrel will just be a range toy, but that's probably 99% of what it needs to do. If a SP101 is as much fun to shoot, I'd rather get one of those so I can have a little more function.

If I got a S&W it would be one of these:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...s_id/411545790
Yes, I have shot the SP101 a bit. It, like the other Ruger revolvers is OK, but for feel, handling and "shootability" it can't compare to a K-frame S&W. Somehow, to me they feel a but crude and not quite finished.

The S&W you linked would be, IMHO, more fun than an SP101.
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