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Old 01-27-2013, 12:27 PM   #28351
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Hope you take the time to sign up for a good firearms training class or a concealed carry class. Even though I have shot for a long time I found the one I took very educational more for the laws and fill in the gap information presented.
That's the plan, not planning on concealed carry at this point.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:34 PM   #28352
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That's the plan, not planning on concealed carry at this point.
Neither did I but you know what. I wanted to have that option. I don't carry every day because of where I work but I've made a habit of doing so on weekends just to become accustomed to the feel. With robberies on the rise and car jackings becoming a more common event in places you wouldn't think I find myself carrying more and more.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:37 PM   #28353
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I just layed away a Springfield XDm 9mm. So excited to get it. Came with two 19+1 magazines, case, lock, extra back straps, double magazine holder, loader, brush all for $569!
I bought an XDm 9 compact a few months ago, and it's a great gun. You'll enjoy it. Don't bother with the loader that comes with the gun. Get an UpLULA instead. It's much faster than the included loader.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:43 PM   #28354
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There is an excellent chance they won't cycle light target loads. The 1187 will handle from light to heavy but I've owned both and the 1100 mag didn't do well with light loads. Personally I'd look for an 1187 if I wanted to have the 3" option available to me.
I found an 1187 Premiere today. It should be coming home with me next week.
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Old 01-27-2013, 02:36 PM   #28355
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Ouch...ear plugs.

So it turns out plug size matters....damn, I've got a ring going in my left ear - the 12 gauge was bad enough I guess, but the .30-06 really did me in I think. Hopefully a day or two and it will recover most of it.

I'm going to have to use both plugs and earmuffs I guess, if I'm going to shoot medium bore.

28 shots with the Browning Safari Grade - real Belgium built - damn, I forgot how much that beauty kicks. I've been slathering on Arnica on my shoulder.

Been pondering using the '06 more, but after that beating, I think maybe I will change to a .308 for my long range rifle, from the casing size, it looks like about 1/3rd less recoil.

Still, it was delightful to check and see that it's still got it, and I can still hit well at 200 yards.
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Old 01-27-2013, 04:23 PM   #28356
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I don't think you will find much difference between the 30-06 and the .308, ballistically they are pretty much identical except the 30-06 will handle heavier bullets better. The recoil chart in this link reflects that as well: http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

Noise and muzzle blast can have a huge impact on perceived recoil. The more you quiet it down, the more pleasant it will be to shoot. Some other options to help you out are a muzzle brake, which really bumps up the noise and pretty much requires double hearing protection. A properly designed and installed muzzle brake will greatly reduce recoil though. I have a Wild West Guns Summit Lite custom rifle in 300wsm with a brake that weighs right at 5 lbs. It recoils about the same as my .223 bolt gun without a brake. You might also try a different recoil pad. Rubber pads harden as they age, plus some of the newer technology recoil pads absorb a lot more recoil than the older designs. Another option is to pick up a "Lead Sled", which uses weight to help reduce recoil.

Yes, all three cartridges use the same bullet diameter, but you can't use most bullets designed for the .308 and 30-06 in the 30-30 because they are pointed bullets. Pointed bullets in a tubular magazine are a big no-no! The pointy end lines up directly with the next primer and will set the rounds in the magazine tube off with recoil.


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Old 01-27-2013, 04:44 PM   #28357
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Buddy of mine has a Bushmaster AR-15 in .223 with 6 mags (20 to 40 rounds, with most being 30 round) he wants rid of for less than $1,000.
He's also got a nice Ruger Blackhawk .44 Mag stainless for under $600, and that includes some reloading stuff (dies, primers, lead, and empty brass)

I've got no use for an AR, but that .44 would look good next to my .357 Mag.

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Old 01-27-2013, 04:53 PM   #28358
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I don't think you will find much difference between the 30-06 and the .308, ballistically they are pretty much identical except the 30-06 will handle heavier bullets better. The recoil chart in this link reflects that as well: http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

Noise and muzzle blast can have a huge impact on perceived recoil. The more you quiet it down, the more pleasant it will be to shoot. Some other options to help you out are a muzzle brake, which really bumps up the noise and pretty much requires double hearing protection. A properly designed and installed muzzle brake will greatly reduce recoil though. I have a Wild West Guns Summit Lite custom rifle in 300wsm with a brake that weighs right at 5 lbs. It recoils about the same as my .223 bolt gun without a brake. You might also try a different recoil pad. Rubber pads harden as they age, plus some of the newer technology recoil pads absorb a lot more recoil than the older designs. Another option is to pick up a "Lead Sled", which uses weight to help reduce recoil.

Yes, all three cartridges use the same bullet diameter, but you can't use most bullets designed for the .308 and 30-06 in the 30-30 because they are pointed bullets. Pointed bullets in a tubular magazine are a big no-no! The pointy end lines up directly with the next primer and will set the rounds in the magazine tube off with recoil.


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If you are going to use muzzle brakes, plan on shooting alone most of the time because you'll make the shooters on both sides of you pissed off due to the noise and muzzle blast. A better solution is to make up a leather bag containing a couple pounds of lead shot and put it between the buttplate and shoulder when shooting off the bench. It increases the effective weight of the gun and reduces felt recoil.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:02 PM   #28359
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I'm in search of small pistol primers, so I've been making the rounds of the local guns shops for the past few weeks and every time I've been in one there's someone buying their first gun. It's an interesting phenomenon and I'm glad to see it. It's got to be intimidating to walk into a specialty store not knowing all the lingo, especially since so many gun store employees are such douche bags.
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FWIW, 2012 had just over 19.5 million firearm background checks done (obviously a record). gotta be a lot of first time
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:10 PM   #28360
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This Just In -- market prices rising fast

Went to a local sportsmans/surplus place yesterday for their annual gun auction (floor models, some used, some older models they wanna move, etc). Their "hook" is they (post bidding) give away 3 or 4 of the auctioned guns

All 60 firearms went for OVER their sticker price (several with models in stock at the counter ). Folks really got caught up in the auction it would seem.

I let a Ruger #1 in .270 get away (stainless, laminate stock)- I bowed out when it hit $850 (went for 950).

They gave away a browning BAR in 30-06 (high bid was $1200)- THAT guy was pumped
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:14 PM   #28361
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True about the noise and muzzle blast. It's weird that my 300wsm isn't too bad for either, but my wife's .270 Win is painful to be around when she shoots. Both rifles have identical muzzle brakes, but hers is very harsh compared to mine.

Dealing with recoil is a learned experience. You can get used to heavy recoil with enough exposure. I spent a bunch of bench time at work testing different 12ga slugs, averaging about 250 rds per day over the course of several months. After that, I don't notice recoil much anymore!

The biggest factor is getting the noise level down. The other factor is shooting position. Offhand is the best for absorbing recoil, sitting or kneeling on the ground is next best. Shooting from a bench doesn't allow your body to move much and it is forced to absorb all the recoil. Prone is the worst, absolutely no flex at all and your body is inline with the recoil.

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Old 01-27-2013, 05:29 PM   #28362
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True about the noise and muzzle blast. It's weird that my 300wsm isn't too bad for either, but my wife's .270 Win is painful to be around when she shoots. Both rifles have identical muzzle brakes, but hers is very harsh compared to mine.

Dealing with recoil is a learned experience. You can get used to heavy recoil with enough exposure. I spent a bunch of bench time at work testing different 12ga slugs, averaging about 250 rds per day over the course of several months. After that, I don't notice recoil much anymore!

The biggest factor is getting the noise level down. The other factor is shooting position. Offhand is the best for absorbing recoil, sitting or kneeling on the ground is next best. Shooting from a bench doesn't allow your body to move much and it is forced to absorb all the recoil. Prone is the worst, absolutely no flex at all and your body is inline with the recoil.

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You can shoot prone all day if you sling up military style and wear a shooting glove on the forend hand. It absorbs most of the recoil. You'll also need a shooting jacket with elbow and shoulder pads.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:44 PM   #28363
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I found an 1187 Premiere today. It should be coming home with me next week.
Cool deal. Bet you'll like it. I've had one for several years now and it shoots good.
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Old 01-27-2013, 05:47 PM   #28364
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I know what the chart says but there are a lot of things involved. I do know if I have a chance to shoot my .270 or .308- The .308 gets the nod EVERY time. The 30-06 class rounds have a substantial whomp and I've shot thousands of .308.
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I don't think you will find much difference between the 30-06 and the .308, ballistically they are pretty much identical except the 30-06 will handle heavier bullets better. The recoil chart in this link reflects that as well: http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

Noise and muzzle blast can have a huge impact on perceived recoil. The more you quiet it down, the more pleasant it will be to shoot. Some other options to help you out are a muzzle brake, which really bumps up the noise and pretty much requires double hearing protection. A properly designed and installed muzzle brake will greatly reduce recoil though. I have a Wild West Guns Summit Lite custom rifle in 300wsm with a brake that weighs right at 5 lbs. It recoils about the same as my .223 bolt gun without a brake. You might also try a different recoil pad. Rubber pads harden as they age, plus some of the newer technology recoil pads absorb a lot more recoil than the older designs. Another option is to pick up a "Lead Sled", which uses weight to help reduce recoil.

Yes, all three cartridges use the same bullet diameter, but you can't use most bullets designed for the .308 and 30-06 in the 30-30 because they are pointed bullets. Pointed bullets in a tubular magazine are a big no-no! The pointy end lines up directly with the next primer and will set the rounds in the magazine tube off with recoil.


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Old 01-27-2013, 05:49 PM   #28365
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Buddy of mine has a Bushmaster AR-15 in .223 with 6 mags (20 to 40 rounds, with most being 30 round) he wants rid of for less than $1,000.
He's also got a nice Ruger Blackhawk .44 Mag stainless for under $600, and that includes some reloading stuff (dies, primers, lead, and empty brass)

I've got no use for an AR, but that .44 would look good next to my .357 Mag.

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Try to get a combo deal and turn the bushmaster. You should be able to get 1200 for the bushmaster with mags and offset some of your ruger outlay
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