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Old 12-09-2010, 10:03 PM   #12646
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How about a 5" 686, the trigger rocks
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:35 AM   #12647
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Thanks... Now here's the really loaded question, GP100 or 686?...
Having been around both, I can tell you that you will be happy with either. They are both outstanding pieces of tooling, and very pleasing to the eye as well. I am fond of the trigger on both (but prefer the double-action lock-up of the Ruger just a tad more).

However...and I don't know if this is just "perceived" or not...the Rugers just feel like a damn anvil. To me, they just seem unbreakable...like you could run-over them with an M1 tank, and go to the range right afterward.


For what it's worth, when they first came-out (but after losing the "125-grain only" designation), I bought an SP-101...which isn't even close to the amount of metal as the GP-100. My friend and I shot the shit outta' that thing, just trying to break it. We fired cases of any full-house .357 round we could find through that thing...including the venerable 125 Federal and (in those days) the 180 Black Talon (which would almost seize against the forcing cone).

Round after round...box after box...that damn thing just kept on going. I probably caused nerve damage, to my right hand, trying to kill that thing. No luck...It just kept begging for more. My friend and I finally gave-up.

As I mentioned in the "Holy Grail" revolver thread, I would just be happy to have a .357 that I could call my own. I gave a 66, that saw me through the Police Academy (yes, the revolver was actually the preferred Police weapon, at one time), to my Dad. I gave the SP-101 to my friend, when his Brother was robbed and murdered. And, I gave my favorite one (3" stainless GP-100) to my ex, when she was going through her last divorce.

Like you, I would love to pick-up a .357. But, with 2011 around the corner, I think I may have to pick-up a 1911 (first and foremost), just to celebrate 100 years.

Happy hunting...


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Old 12-10-2010, 04:50 AM   #12648
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How about a 5" 686, the trigger rocks
Want. I rented one of those a while ago and what a sweet gun. Very accurate, even with me behind the trigger. And I loved the way the pressure wave from the magnums would bounce off the backstop and come back to me. Very nice trigger, too IIRC. Here's what I was able to do with it:

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Old 12-10-2010, 06:29 AM   #12649
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S&W/gunsmithing question...

At Scheel's for a while they've had this nickel-plated .38 S&W. There used to be a pair, both looked like they'd seen better days but not awful, I kinda figured they might be old service revolvers. They had them priced about $250 which didn't seem real bad, but I wanted to get a rimfire pistol before going back to the pricier centerfire. Anyways, the kicker on these guns was that the spur on the hammer had been bobbed off, rendering them DAO. This is pretty undesirable to me and I suspect a lot of other people. Is it simple/possible to just order a new, intact hammer from somebody and install it yourself at home? I'm not a complete slouch, I can nearly completely disassemble an old V4
Hell, I have no training at all in gun-smithing, but I've disassembled and reassembled a whole bunch of guns - some much more complicated than a S&W revolver. Just order a replacement hammer (see if you can get one used from www.gunparts.com) and install it yourself.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:14 AM   #12650
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I was at Scheel's and they had a GP100 in stainless on sale for $500. I thought it was pretty sweet until I saw it was a .327 Fed. Sounds like a sweet cartridge, but even Scheel's only had two different kinds of ammo for it.

I think I'll get a .357 some time next year. If I want to try to use it for deer, does 4" vs. 6" matter?
I agree with Andyinhilo on the 6" if you're going to hunt deer with a 357. Long ago I used a 357 to take a half-dozen deer over a period of several years. My gun was a 6.5" and I'm glad that it was not shorter, the extra length gives a little better velocity to a cartridge that is, at best, totally marginal as a deer round, and improved sight-radius for longer shots. In truth, I doubt that I'd hunt deer with a 357 handgun again....I simply had nothing else, no rifle nor larger handgun, available to me at the time. Don't get me wrong, the 357 is a great round and I have several guns in that caliber, but big-game hunting isn't it's strong suit.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:38 AM   #12651
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I think I'll get a .357 some time next year. If I want to try to use it for deer, does 4" vs. 6" matter?

It would in Ohio. Hunting handguns must be a min. 5" barrel.
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:57 AM   #12652
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I agree with Andyinhilo on the 6" if you're going to hunt deer with a 357. Long ago I used a 357 to take a half-dozen deer over a period of several years. My gun was a 6.5" and I'm glad that it was not shorter, the extra length gives a little better velocity to a cartridge that is, at best, totally marginal as a deer round, and improved sight-radius for longer shots. In truth, I doubt that I'd hunt deer with a 357 handgun again....I simply had nothing else, no rifle nor larger handgun, available to me at the time. Don't get me wrong, the 357 is a great round and I have several guns in that caliber, but big-game hunting isn't it's strong suit.
Do you think modern ammunition makes any difference there? I saw a box of 357 ammo at the store that had antlers on it so I was encouraged
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Old 12-10-2010, 08:28 AM   #12653
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Do you think modern ammunition makes any difference there? I saw a box of 357 ammo at the store that had antlers on it so I was encouraged
Oh definitely, certainly commercial ammo now versus what was available back in the '60s and '70s when I hunted with the 357 is much improved. But, then as now, I was handloading. While opinions may differ, it seems to me that the hot setup for 357 hunting loads these days is a heavy hard-cast lead bullet, like the Buffalo Bore 170s & similar. Back in my misspent youth I used a solid linotype cast gas-check bullet (my dad cast them and gave me buckets of the things) that weighed about 160-165 grains ahead of a stout charge of 2400, so that was pretty close to the BB loadings of today. But yes, if you don't handload you presently have much better options than in the past.
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Old 12-10-2010, 08:35 AM   #12654
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I was at Scheel's and they had a GP100 in stainless on sale for $500. I thought it was pretty sweet until I saw it was a .327 Fed. Sounds like a sweet cartridge, but even Scheel's only had two different kinds of ammo for it.

I think I'll get a .357 some time next year. If I want to try to use it for deer, does 4" vs. 6" matter?
I would get the six inch for hunting. A tad more velocity and a little longer sight radius and a bit more barrel and underlug for stouter rounds.
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Old 12-10-2010, 08:36 AM   #12655
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Hardcase, You and I must be seperated at birth! Look what I posted BEFORE I read your comments!
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Old 12-10-2010, 09:51 AM   #12656
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Thanks... Now here's the really loaded question, GP100 or 686? I like the Rugers I have now and feel like they are a lot of gun for the money. The weight between the guns the same. The Ruger looks to have a beefier action, though I suspect the S&W is beefy enough. I guess the last things are accuracy and trigger, which I know nothing about.
This guy does cool shit:
http://www.grantcunningham.com/index.html

He more or less recommends Ruger for new guns.

Cheaper (even after a trigger job) and no internal lock.
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Old 12-10-2010, 10:08 AM   #12657
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This guy does cool shit:
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He more or less recommends Ruger for new guns.

Cheaper (even after a trigger job) and no internal lock.
Have you seen that he is closed for new work, because her has a two year back log!

I am in the wrong business!

This reminds me of how Ted Yost got busy after he left Gunsite training center. When he worked there I'll bet he was making about 50K a year doing the Pro Shop guns....I see now it is crazy to get him to do a gun for under about $4500.00 and his upper end ones are over $6000.00! 1911s at their best, I had one and sold it....actually two! He did mine whilst at gunsite.
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:02 AM   #12658
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Thanks... Now here's the really loaded question, GP100 or 686? I like the Rugers I have now and feel like they are a lot of gun for the money. The weight between the guns the same. The Ruger looks to have a beefier action, though I suspect the S&W is beefy enough. I guess the last things are accuracy and trigger, which I know nothing about.
Either the 686 or the GP-100 will do just fine. It comes down to which one you like better. The Ruger is somewhat larger, and for me feels a bit clunky and not as "finished" as a Smith. Understand that I am a S&W guy from way back. Also, though not really a factor, the Ruger uses many cast parts, though it would not surprise me a bit if S&W is using more of the cast parts today than they did in the past. Both can be made to have really outstanding actions, but out of the box, the Smiths are usually a bit better.

Handle them both as much as you can, and pick the one YOU prefer. You can't go wrong with either.

And regarding barrel length, as another poster mentioned, check your local game laws if you are going to hunt, as there may be a minimum length. Here in the Socialist Republic of Hawaii, where I am a DLNR Police Officer, we have a minimum barrel length of 5 inches, too. Talk about screwy laws. Don't get me started............
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:03 AM   #12659
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He more or less recommends Ruger for new guns.

Cheaper (even after a trigger job) and no internal lock.
I think I'll start looking around at Rugers in a few months then (or that occasional deal that I shouldn't take ). I would have never figured that I'd become a Ruger whore after all
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:06 AM   #12660
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I will say that I agree the stock action on a S&W and usually the finish is a bit better than that of a GP100, but the GP is stouter for more aggressive magnum loads. The new Smiths have that damn integral lock though, and I am pretty sure the GP100s don't. I also can say you can make the GP every bit as good as a standard smith with a 12 dollar spring, and marrying the trigger yourself. I will say the S&W is more prestigious to own. it is a NICER gun with faster lockup should you ever decide to compete.
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