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Old 11-25-2008, 07:16 AM   #31
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Wow! Really interesting report, I'd never heard of the uprising so I found your retelling gripping! I love all the links, vids, and pics.

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Old 11-25-2008, 07:48 AM   #32
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excellent ride report.
I grew up in that area and i am the first generation, of many generations in my family, that has not worked in a coal mine. this area will always be a special place for me.
most people aren't even aware that these events took place. these "original rednecks" are not given the credit they deserve.
if it hadn't been for these rednecks and their fortitude to stand up to big anti-union corporations, who knows how the american workplace would be now. this should be a history lesson for everyone.

much appreciation comes from me to those coal miners.

i could be wrong about this, but wasn't the term redneck coined for the miners who wore red bandannas around their neck during the march to blair mountian?
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:57 AM   #33
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Know what you mean bush jumper, I'm from the mountains also. Good report here that dlrides has done.
No matter if you are pro or anti union check out what these people (miners) were trying to get in their work place then check out OHSA today. Some of the same things. My dad worked in the timber side of the mountain business back then. They also had some "labor problems" with outsiders invloved. That area and over the mountains into east Tennessee where I am originally from really has some good riding and wild history. I'm new on this fourm and don't want to over step the bounds but after I sort out how things are done and how to post pictures I'll try and post couple of rides I have done back to my home area up there. So if I cross the line someone let me know and I'll back off. Great web page. Have read several stories already.

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Old 11-25-2008, 09:13 AM   #34
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Very nice report, thanks!
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:19 AM   #35
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Originally Posted by mtn500
i could be wrong about this, but wasn't the term redneck coined for the miners who wore red bandannas around their neck during the march to blair mountian?
That's what I got from it.

This event wasn't mentioned in American History class when I went through school.

They say you learn something every day, well this is what I learned.
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:28 AM   #36
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I appreciate this story too. I have roots in WVA also. My Grandad was a miner. A fine man too, lived to 93 yr old.

I wonder what those men would think of the Wall St. bailout today? Maybe its time for another march.

It's a great topic for discussion, but the participants need to act mature.
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Old 11-25-2008, 01:14 PM   #37
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My mother is 95, my dad and her live there, you were paid with coal mine money which you could only spend in the coal mine store and you lived in a coal mine house, the coal mine owned you.
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Old 11-25-2008, 02:28 PM   #38
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Great shot. Where is that?
Backbone Rock. I used to go rock climbing there while attending school at Emory & Henry College. Excellent report Don. The movie Matewan just got added to the Netflix que. I remember seeing it in the theatre with my Dad back in the day. There was a very good reason why he wanted me to see it. The mind needs to be refreshed.
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:37 PM   #39
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Just now seeing your report...

Don... a masterful job!

You're becoming as skillful a writer as you are a rider, and that's saying alot!

Great report
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Old 11-25-2008, 03:41 PM   #40
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Those Baldwin and Felts detectives were some real SOBs. Before they got shot up in WV, they were involved in rounding up the Allens and Edwards who were involved in the shooting at the Courthouse in Carroll County VA. (Carroll County Courthouse Shootings)

Two of them Sidna Allen and Wesley Edwards (who were seen as heros by most of the people in that county) were hid out by friends for a long time before they left the area.

I'm from that area and my Grandmother (she was ten at the time) used to tell me stories of how the B & F detectives would ride their horses through people's gardens without cause and would go through houses and out buildings without warrants or any probable cause. I can tell you that there was a lot of people in that area was glad they got what they got in WV.

This is what Wikipedia has to say about them:

The agency's most famous case was the capture of Floyd Allen and his family who were involved in a courtroom shootout in Hillsville, Virginia during which 5 people died and 7 were wounded. This event was the big news in the nation from March 13, 1912 until April 15 that year when the Titanic sank.
Baldwin-Felts Detectives pursued two of the fugitives from Virginia to Des Moines, Iowa before finally capturing them. Hired by the Governor of Virginia because Virginia had no State Police force, the detectives cut a wide swath through Carroll County in their quest. Confiscating horses, performing illegal searches, tampering with the US Mail and beating witnesses, they managed to capture most of the Allens within a three week time period. Only six months elapsed before the final two were captured in Iowa.
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:17 PM   #41
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Amazing history lesson, thanks for taking the time to share it
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:11 AM   #42
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A big thanks for the comments ! I hope this inspires everyone to keep history alive, and use it as a catalyst for interesting rides !

I recently acquired a DVD of the movie "Matewan". The movie has been out of print since 2001, and was difficult to find, but was worth the effort ! Most of the movie is historically correct, and provides a touching perspective on coal miners' battle.

I HIGHLY reccommend this movie to anyone who has Appalachian or mining heritage ! I would be glad to send/share it with any that are truly interested.

Thanks again,

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Old 12-09-2008, 02:51 PM   #43
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I bought the film a few years ago. Anyone that is a member of a union should watch it. When I travel southern WV or ride the Hatfield/ McCoy trails, I see the movie and several books about the history of the coal fields for sale at various store and whatnot. I'm sure the Depot restaurant in Matewan has these for sale too. Goldenseal magazine that is published by the WV Cultural center is a wonderful reference for all things WV. Keep up the good work Don.
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Old 12-09-2008, 07:51 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by onaXR
The difference was Philly state police dropped a bomb from a helicopter on a single house.

West Virginia alone bears the distinction of having been the focus – and potential target –of military aircraft.
My father's mother was born in Trinidad Colorado during a period of coal miner's unrest. The state militia was called in and shot many innocent people. The history of the mining unions in the US is facinating and forgotten. Thank you for keeping it alive.
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Old 12-10-2008, 07:40 AM   #45
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Thanks for presenting this history lesson to the forum.

Found it especially interesting in that my three former step-children came from that area, with one of the boys being born in Matewan, and the other just up the road in South Williamson, KY. The three are descended from a Hatfield-McCoy marriage, perhaps the one that reportedly brought an end to the famous feud.

Took the family on a vacation from Alaska in 1998 and got to visit Matewan myself, shortly after viewing the movie of that name, so the events were fresh in my mind as we toured the place. It's a shame things like that aren't presented in high school history. The best way to prevent a repetition is to learn from the past - which can't happen if we aren't aware of it.
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