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Old 03-04-2013, 07:39 AM   #16291
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I made the mistake (?) of riding my buddies XR650R the other night. Very light and nimble in comparison to my KLR..

The want is great. The funds... Not so much...
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:24 AM   #16292
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This is superb light but if you need extra light for night rally ride you should add some 45/15 LED light.

With this combination you'll have better light than your car

Or a single inexpensive HID...

There is a reason racers are still using HID, and led is just for additional light.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:26 AM   #16293
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I made the mistake (?) of riding my buddies XR650R the other night. Very light and nimble in comparison to my KLR..

The want is great. The funds... Not so much...
I feel the same way when I get on my wife's crf250x.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:33 AM   #16294
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So...I had a litle chat with my right foot-peg bolts. One came out when he saw the 1 m long lever...the other one was a tough bugger. Heated it, hit it, messed up the allen key, the socket got round, cut in a screwdriver notch...nothing. Tried drilling it...ruined 3 drills. Then...I fixed with two hammers. If you can't fix it with a hammer....try two big uns :))
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:50 AM   #16295
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So...I had a litle chat with my right foot-peg bolts. One came out when he saw the 1 m long lever...the other one was a tough bugger. Heated it, hit it, messed up the allen key, the socket got round, cut in a screwdriver notch...nothing. Tried drilling it...ruined 3 drills. Then...I fixed with two hammers. If you can't fix it with a hammer....try two big uns :))
I bet you put anti-seize on the new bolts? Even though the manual doesn't specify it....

I just had to redo mine. This time I inserted an aluminum bushing and then drill it to match the bolt shank. It should keep it from breaking again.
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:12 AM   #16296
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Or a single inexpensive HID...
HID is inexpensive compared to LED?
Not shure about that...
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Old 03-04-2013, 09:44 AM   #16297
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HID is inexpensive compared to LED?
Not shure about that...
5000 lumens for $30: http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/DD...rcycle-HID-Kit
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Old 03-04-2013, 10:55 AM   #16298
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Those LED's, although good, are not even comparable to vehicle headlights.

My buddy has two of them and my HID racelight drowns his out and goes probably 3-4 times the distance. So much so it's finished off a few night rides through Baja with everybody glad I had the light.

My dirt bike will run them because it's not highspeed and I don't have to have a ton of light or see far ahead. It's nice because two will only draw 20W as well.

The downside is the HID can be focused, the LED just throws light out wasting half of it blinding cars (worse than HID). I have a light bar on my truck and the moon gets brighter when I turn it on because it has poor optics / reflectors.

LED is the future, but it still has a long way to go. HID's not perfect, but I still think with the proper housing is still much, much better. With a projector it's not even comparible.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:08 AM   #16299
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I'd probably stick with a 35W. Sure you aren't getting as many lumens, but you get much better longevity and reliability. Most (DDM included) bulbs are not rated for more than 35W. So you're basically asking the bulb for more with reduction in reliability and longevity. Philips does has have a true 55W bulb, but I believe it's around 110 USD for the bulb itself.

Still, for 30$ USD you are getting 4200 lumens. That LED is about 900-1200 I think..

The HID is ~35 W draw (varies), and the the LED is 10W.

Now to compare that to a car that has 8400 WELL FOCUSED and efficient lumens compared to two 1200 lumen LED's where nearly half the light is being spent lighting up the moon, you can understand my agrument of quality vehicle light to half assed LED light.

I also had the pleasure to ride my buddies WR450 with the Baja Designs Squadron light and unknowingly to him, I was very dissapointed, especially considering the cost. ($375 USD). The light was good, but nowhere near great and still had poor spread and distance. It also doesn't work for street use as the dimmer doesn't change beam pattern, but just brightness (varies voltage). To top it off, BOTH my buddies damaged their dimmers after two rides in Baja. Brutal!

I can't believe Baja Designs puts their name on that crap. My buddy said "what can you expect for 50$ dimmer". He's the type of guy that pays for stuff without cost considerations because 50$ is a lot for a part that breaks within hours of use AND was designed by a so called "elite US manufactured offroad company" who is loosing their shirt to the Chinese equivalent for 1/5th the cost. After all, it's a friggen simple device they still couldn't get right.

/rant =)
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:23 AM   #16300
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Shibby,

have you seen the light of the Vison X's? They can't be compared to very similar units I've seen, but yeah, they cost more too.
I ask because I've seen those led-bars, and sure, they're bright but scatter light anywhere as you say.
Not so the Vision X's, available in 3 lens types. I got 1 on my 230 (medium Lens) and this is, for the lowish speed, more than enough, and the std filament light disappears completely in the beam. Yes, it blinds cars but it's aimed & used as 'bright', but bright it most certainly is. My pig will have two, switched as additional lights, a spot & medium beam, and I've seen what this is - no need for more thank you. Oh, no, I'm no racer, I can understand them needing all they can muster.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:49 AM   #16301
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Shibby,

have you seen the light of the Vison X's? They can't be compared to very similar units I've seen, but yeah, they cost more too.
I ask because I've seen those led-bars, and sure, they're bright but scatter light anywhere as you say.
Not so the Vision X's, available in 3 lens types. I got 1 on my 230 (medium Lens) and this is, for the lowish speed, more than enough, and the std filament light disappears completely in the beam. Yes, it blinds cars but it's aimed & used as 'bright', but bright it most certainly is. My pig will have two, switched as additional lights, a spot & medium beam, and I've seen what this is - no need for more thank you. Oh, no, I'm no racer, I can understand them needing all they can muster.

Yup,

My buddies old WR has two Vision X's, and the Squadron on the other WR has (4) 10W LED's. CREE 10W are the brightest you can get at the moment.

I'd use them for dirt biking no problem, but racing down dark, unfamiliar trails and roads at 100KM/hr at night? I'd start to be hesitant.

As mentioned, my dirt bike (I hope to buy next week) will bet getting two 10 W CREE led lights. One flood, one spot. Sure as hell won't be Baja Designs though.

Braapp!! (or more of ring-ding-ding....)
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:57 AM   #16302
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I'd probably stick with a 35W. Sure you aren't getting as many lumens, but you get much better longevity and reliability. Most (DDM included) bulbs are not rated for more than 35W.
/rant =)

Nah, go 55w. I haven't lost a bulb yet after a couple years (four units in use currently). Ballasts on the other hand, I have lost a a few of those. Mostly due to some other electrical failure or design error on my part or just plane old abuse (like trying to drive them with 16v).
I have a whole box of bulbs now, all 3000k. So if you want one....

And yeh, Baja Designs is not on my shopping list, now or ever. They haven't produced anything that makes me excited, and most of it I can put together myself for half the cost.


Supposedly, Rigid is building a light bar for Dave Pearson's bike (THR motorsports), but he has yet to run it and was still using the HID/Hologen combo that I still prefer (as if I am in the same league). So when I see Dave and other racers going with LED for primary lights, I will consider their enormous price tag.
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Old 03-04-2013, 12:55 PM   #16303
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any thoughts on the LED style off-road lights sold in either wide or narrow configurations off of ebay? do those HID kits just plug and play into the H4 bulb slot? that is pretty inexpensive for the lumens, i think. havn't done too much research on lighting options yet
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:05 PM   #16304
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any thoughts on the LED style off-road lights sold in either wide or narrow configurations off of ebay? do those HID kits just plug and play into the H4 bulb slot? that is pretty inexpensive for the lumens, i think. havn't done too much research on lighting options yet

Careful, lumen ratings are like any other rating and subject to subjectivity.

Yes, the HID are plug and play if you order the bulb type you are replacing. However, your electrical needs to be DC and have a battery. 55W is no problem to be running through the handlebar switch, FYI.
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Old 03-04-2013, 01:17 PM   #16305
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Careful, lumen ratings are like any other rating and subject to subjectivity.

Yes, the HID are plug and play if you order the bulb type you are replacing. However, your electrical needs to be DC and have a battery. 55W is no problem to be running through the handlebar switch, FYI.
Thanks crypto, i'm rebuilding my bike this year and am still gathering ideas.
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