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Old 04-03-2013, 08:42 AM   #16696
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How I feel when I see other wide load dual sports, a repost, but funny every time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ztsP...endscreen&NR=1
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:51 AM   #16697
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Got an oil analysis done. bike has 3,000 miles on it. oil is shell rotella 15w-40.

Oil has 950 miles on it.

Bike has been well taken care of its whole life.

Not quite sure about the wear metals in this sample.
That is quite interesting. i also wonder about the high levels of metal in you sample.
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Old 04-03-2013, 10:06 AM   #16698
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That is quite interesting. i also wonder about the high levels of metal in you sample.

Looks like somebody has been slipping the clutch to me. Try being super smooth on starts and time the shifts to perfection, snick it into neutral at long red lights and see how the next sample looks.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:17 PM   #16699
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I'm thinking it is clutch contamination too. The bike runs and sounds fine.

I'm going to make sure I have enough lever free play and make sure I use neutral at lights.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:16 AM   #16700
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Got an oil analysis done. bike has 3,000 miles on it. oil is shell rotella 15w-40.

Oil has 950 miles on it.

Bike has been well taken care of its whole life.

Not quite sure about the wear metals in this sample.


If you're worried about the Ali then open up the oilpump & inspect, and do keep in mind this bike's oil-'tank' is an aluminium frame.
If you're worried about the steel then keep 1 thing in mind - this is a bike, not a car!
No car has a gearbox in it's crankcase like bikes have, hence is lubricated by the engine oil rather than a gear-oil.
On top of all this there's indeed a wet clutch also, so in all I'd not worry too much
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:23 AM   #16701
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I'm thinking it is clutch contamination too. The bike runs and sounds fine.

I'm going to make sure I have enough lever free play and make sure I use neutral at lights.

I was trying to say, change your clutch operation as a test, do another sample, see if the numbers improve, if not you need to dig in and see what's up. I'd be willing to bet that it's all from the clutch, including the aluminum...basket fingers wear really fast, especially if you clutch every shift like I do.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:06 AM   #16702
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I was trying to say, change your clutch operation as a test, do another sample, see if the numbers improve, if not you need to dig in and see what's up. I'd be willing to bet that it's all from the clutch, including the aluminum...basket fingers wear really fast, especially if you clutch every shift like I do.
WHy do you clutch every shift when the only proven effect in doing so is wearing out clutch components.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:25 AM   #16703
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WHy do you clutch every shift when the only proven effect in doing so is wearing out clutch components.
Good point on that
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:52 AM   #16704
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WHy do you clutch every shift when the only proven effect in doing so is wearing out clutch components.
Proof?
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:46 PM   #16705
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ummmm...... have i been driving a motorcycle the wrong way for the last 10 years??? i missed out on the no clutch thing.
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:06 PM   #16706
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"O" Ring problems

I need some help. first a little background. I have always wanted an XR. about two years ago, I found a California plated XR for a good price (Thanks James at Renazco). The bike is a 2000. I have done the CS seal and bushing. I added a stator, lights and turn signals. I have no clue about the carb or jetting. Never been in there. The motor I'm guessing is stock other than being uncorked. I adjust the valves and change the oil. It starts usually on the first or second kick. I have had it down to Baja three times and each trip was over 2k miles. I have also done the Oregon Back Route Discover route for another 2.5K miles. and countless local romp sessions. I have had no fewer than 8 of these "O" rings replaced. usually before I need to change the oil. thanks in advance for your help.







































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Old 04-04-2013, 06:07 PM   #16707
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I have seen this no clutch approach mentioned from to time but it logically makes no sense to me to not use the clutch - if it was so revolutionary then why doesn't Honda lose the clutch on all its bikes?

Just sounds like laziness to me, and not understanding what a clutch actually does.....
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:22 PM   #16708
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Think i would rather use consumables rather than hard parts
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:20 PM   #16709
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I need some help. first a little background. I have always wanted an XR. about two years ago, I found a California plated XR for a good price (Thanks James at Renazco). The bike is a 2000. I have done the CS seal and bushing. I added a stator, lights and turn signals. I have no clue about the carb or jetting. Never been in there. The motor I'm guessing is stock other than being uncorked. I adjust the valves and change the oil. It starts usually on the first or second kick. I have had it down to Baja three times and each trip was over 2k miles. I have also done the Oregon Back Route Discover route for another 2.5K miles. and countless local romp sessions. I have had no fewer than 8 of these "O" rings replaced. usually before I need to change the oil. thanks in advance for your help.











































So you are saying you are going through a back tire per 1000 miles? sounds about right if you are pushing it decently
Wish I had the time to do that
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:25 PM   #16710
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Just sounds like laziness to me, and not understanding what a clutch actually does.....
I sorta felt this way until I had it all apart and studied the design of the transmission very carefully and realized that for upshifts there isn't any reason why you have to use the clutch. On the street and relaxed riding I still use it to obtain smoother shifts but on the track I never use it for upshifts. Upshifting under race conditions just burns up clutch plates for no reason.
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