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Old 04-04-2013, 11:25 AM   #16711
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WHy do you clutch every shift when the only proven effect in doing so is wearing out clutch components.
Good point on that
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:52 AM   #16712
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WHy do you clutch every shift when the only proven effect in doing so is wearing out clutch components.
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:46 PM   #16713
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ummmm...... have i been driving a motorcycle the wrong way for the last 10 years??? i missed out on the no clutch thing.
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:06 PM   #16714
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"O" Ring problems

I need some help. first a little background. I have always wanted an XR. about two years ago, I found a California plated XR for a good price (Thanks James at Renazco). The bike is a 2000. I have done the CS seal and bushing. I added a stator, lights and turn signals. I have no clue about the carb or jetting. Never been in there. The motor I'm guessing is stock other than being uncorked. I adjust the valves and change the oil. It starts usually on the first or second kick. I have had it down to Baja three times and each trip was over 2k miles. I have also done the Oregon Back Route Discover route for another 2.5K miles. and countless local romp sessions. I have had no fewer than 8 of these "O" rings replaced. usually before I need to change the oil. thanks in advance for your help.







































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Old 04-04-2013, 06:07 PM   #16715
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I have seen this no clutch approach mentioned from to time but it logically makes no sense to me to not use the clutch - if it was so revolutionary then why doesn't Honda lose the clutch on all its bikes?

Just sounds like laziness to me, and not understanding what a clutch actually does.....
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:22 PM   #16716
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Think i would rather use consumables rather than hard parts
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:20 PM   #16717
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I need some help. first a little background. I have always wanted an XR. about two years ago, I found a California plated XR for a good price (Thanks James at Renazco). The bike is a 2000. I have done the CS seal and bushing. I added a stator, lights and turn signals. I have no clue about the carb or jetting. Never been in there. The motor I'm guessing is stock other than being uncorked. I adjust the valves and change the oil. It starts usually on the first or second kick. I have had it down to Baja three times and each trip was over 2k miles. I have also done the Oregon Back Route Discover route for another 2.5K miles. and countless local romp sessions. I have had no fewer than 8 of these "O" rings replaced. usually before I need to change the oil. thanks in advance for your help.











































So you are saying you are going through a back tire per 1000 miles? sounds about right if you are pushing it decently
Wish I had the time to do that
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:25 PM   #16718
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Just sounds like laziness to me, and not understanding what a clutch actually does.....
I sorta felt this way until I had it all apart and studied the design of the transmission very carefully and realized that for upshifts there isn't any reason why you have to use the clutch. On the street and relaxed riding I still use it to obtain smoother shifts but on the track I never use it for upshifts. Upshifting under race conditions just burns up clutch plates for no reason.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:51 PM   #16719
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I need some help. first a little background. I have always wanted an XR. about two years ago, I found a California plated XR for a good price (Thanks James at Renazco). The bike is a 2000. I have done the CS seal and bushing. I added a stator, lights and turn signals. I have no clue about the carb or jetting. Never been in there. The motor I'm guessing is stock other than being uncorked. I adjust the valves and change the oil. It starts usually on the first or second kick. I have had it down to Baja three times and each trip was over 2k miles. I have also done the Oregon Back Route Discover route for another 2.5K miles. and countless local romp sessions. I have had no fewer than 8 of these "O" rings replaced. usually before I need to change the oil. thanks in advance for your help.
Tee hee.


Buuutttt.......


you think that's bad, buy a 950.....
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:59 PM   #16720
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Tee hee.


Buuutttt.......


you think that's bad, buy a 950.....
Hiya Ron, I still have the 950. It too is hard on tires as you know. The only tire I have been able to get 3k is the Dunlop 908. I just wish they were cheaper.


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Old 04-05-2013, 01:45 AM   #16721
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Demn, too late, my comment would have been akin Wood's
A thou mile with that "o-ring" is fine, no worries, and the other o-ring will prolly last a notch longer
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:18 AM   #16722
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For clutch-less upshifting I have heard so many conflicting opinions on if its good or bad. I have never heard of a failure due to it though. I have tried it a few times, it feels smooth.
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:08 AM   #16723
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yep fckn cool shot i recon ....aussie's giving the pig a gut full

BTW some1 answer my question on the front fender ...i wanna crf typ but need to know what 1 to buy that will fit and suit the bike
i cannot post pictures on here but if you check fockers forum i will post one on there for ya .
Be warned that the crf red its slightly different shade to the xr red .

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Old 04-05-2013, 09:24 AM   #16724
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WHy do you clutch every shift when the only proven effect in doing so is wearing out clutch components.
Whaaatttt?

Using your clutch to shift does not abnormally wear out clutch components. Not using it will abnormally wear the shift drum and dogs, as well as be harder on the entire drive.

Trying combining clutch motion with throttle control, its amazing.
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Old 04-05-2013, 10:29 AM   #16725
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Whaaatttt?

Using your clutch to shift does not abnormally wear out clutch components. Not using it will abnormally wear the shift drum and dogs, as well as be harder on the entire drive.

Trying combining clutch motion with throttle control, its amazing.


The Honda trans is too clunky for me to shift without the clutch. My 610 was butter smooth and I'd shift it without using the clutch, up and down, but it had a broken clutch cable most of the time, so I had to.

My riding buddy with an XRR shifts without the clutch and it's been falling out of 4th and dropping into 3rd on it's own...bent shift fork. Now he gets to split the cases to fix it.
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