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Old 06-19-2013, 07:03 AM   #17326
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I flipped my retainer over, since it was worn and I didn't have another; I would like to take this time to blame primary drive also because their stuff sucks.

I like to pull it off a couple times every oil cycle and grease the splines. Never lost a bolt, reused them many times. Those bolts are not doing much, just hanging out really.
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:07 AM   #17327
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Anyone ever had a front sprocket with play in it cause damage/wear to the countershaft?

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Old 06-19-2013, 09:22 AM   #17328
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Anyone ever had a front sprocket with play in it cause damage/wear to the countershaft?

Happens all the time with cheap crappy sprockets, it can even strip the shaft until the sprocket just spins on the shaft. The best CS sprocket I've ever used is the Ironman from DirtTricks, tightest best fit on a few bikes now and it doesn't wear out. If you're gonna cheap out on sprockets, do it on the back.
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Old 06-19-2013, 11:00 AM   #17329
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Anyone ever had a front sprocket with play in it cause damage/wear to the countershaft?

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See the few posts imediately leading this one? There's your answer. PRimary drive is one of the primary culprits.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:05 PM   #17330
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Do it on the back.

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Old 06-19-2013, 12:39 PM   #17331
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Anyone ever had a front sprocket with play in it cause damage/wear to the countershaft?

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Just bought another XR and this is the countershaft chain was over tight which I don't think helps much.
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Old 06-19-2013, 12:40 PM   #17332
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Just bought another XR and this is the countershaft chain was over tight which I don't think helps much.
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:59 PM   #17333
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damn... that thing looks shot.
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Old 06-19-2013, 02:39 PM   #17334
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Nothing like a $10 part destroying a $180 part. They have a way of doing that.
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Old 06-19-2013, 02:56 PM   #17335
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Nothing like a $10 part destroying a $180 part. They have a way of doing that.

That 180$ part will likely cost triple that to replace, if not more.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:03 PM   #17336
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That 180$ part will likely cost triple that to replace, if not more.

Oh yeh, thats right. You have to split the case. and as long as you are in there, notice the connecting rod bearings.........

Seriously, I would plan on replacing the c-rod while you are in there. Unless by some miracle it looks fantastic.
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:18 PM   #17337
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Looks like it has had a lot of sprocket changes to cause that amount of wear.
Lots of rotation/mud or sand and long term worrying of the sprocket on the spline will likely cause the same result.
Does this tend to happen more regionally ie sandy or muddy areas, or from long term road miles.
Would be interested to know of any quantifiable data or feedback from inmates that have a lot of seat time on the XR in different areas.

Noting some wear would be expected but that does look significant

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Old 06-19-2013, 07:48 PM   #17338
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I would submit that this damage is a result of high traction conditions, ie. asphalt or concrete. Sand, mud and dirt allow the rear wheel to absorb torque pulses from the motor because of how much slip there is between the tire and adjacent surface . When there is little or no slip, torque pulses are transmitted more harshly into things like sprockets and counter shafts.

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Looks like it has had a lot of sprocket changes to cause that amount of wear.
Lots of rotation/mud or sand and long term worrying of the sprocket on the spline will likely cause the same result.
Does this tend to happen more regionally ie sandy or muddy areas, or from long term road miles.
Would be interested to know of any quantifiable data or feedback from inmates that have a lot of seat time on the XR in different areas.

Noting some wear would be expected but that does look significant

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Old 06-19-2013, 07:53 PM   #17339
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Oem will fit a 15t

I suck, I thought that's the reason they sold it as a "15t" case saver.

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Old 06-19-2013, 10:17 PM   #17340
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I would submit that this damage is a result of high traction conditions, ie. asphalt or concrete. Sand, mud and dirt allow the rear wheel to absorb torque pulses from the motor because of how much slip there is between the tire and adjacent surface . When there is little or no slip, torque pulses are transmitted more harshly into things like sprockets and counter shafts.
Yep the po has used this mainly for road riding. He had it from 2000 miles or so. It has had an easy life in terms of not been offroaded much but other things like the countershaft don't look too good. I plan on rebuilding and replacing this winter, would the road riding have done more internal damage do you think?

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