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Old 12-11-2011, 08:34 AM   #11686
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Well maybe I'm thinking too simplistic but if the primary gearing is 30% lower and the clutch basket and whatnot is the same then maybe you could just change the xr650l to the xr650r primary gears. I am going to go out on a limb and guess that honda may have changed it due to development and used similar pieces. They might even interchange because if honda didn't have a reason to design a new clutch then how much else is common in the drivetrain?
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I got ya. I see what you are trying to do now. Have you looked up the Honda part number to see if they match? You could do the same for the basket and drum too. Good luck with this project. Hopefully there is a viable option for you.
I have been studying the parts fiche to get a clue on parts interchange. Although the fine details are missing from the fiche, there is enough there that I'll predict that the primary gearing won't swap. I also doubt that the shaft center to center distance is the same. But even if they were, it would still require a custom gear on the crank shaft from what little I can tell.

From looking at photos on the net, it would appear that the frictions are almost the same with the XR650R having shorter tabs. So I can't rule out a swap for the auto clutch itself. Which is why I posted my original question.

If the auto clutch would swap, then that leaves finding a way to make the moving wedges heavier by 20-30%. And that is probably where this thought experiment ends. There is so little room for those wedges already. If the wedges are already made out of steel, then I don't think much can be done. There doesn't appear to be enough room to drill holes in the wedges and pour in some lead

So, I'll be looking for a used Revloc I suppose. That or look for a more modern bike to ride on difficult trails. Neither appeals to me at the moment.
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Old 12-11-2011, 08:50 AM   #11687
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I have been studying the parts fiche to get a clue on parts interchange. Although the fine details are missing from the fiche, there is enough there that I'll predict that the primary gearing won't swap. I also doubt that the shaft center to center distance is the same. But even if they were, it would still require a custom gear on the crank shaft from what little I can tell.

From looking at photos on the net, it would appear that the frictions are almost the same with the XR650R having shorter tabs. So I can't rule out a swap for the auto clutch itself. Which is why I posted my original question.

If the auto clutch would swap, then that leaves finding a way to make the moving wedges heavier by 20-30%. And that is probably where this thought experiment ends. There is so little room for those wedges already. If the wedges are already made out of steel, then I don't think much can be done. There doesn't appear to be enough room to drill holes in the wedges and pour in some lead

So, I'll be looking for a used Revloc I suppose. That or look for a more modern bike to ride on difficult trails. Neither appeals to me at the moment.


Make the wedges out of depleted Uranium.... That should be heavy enough. Have you thought about trying out a hydraulic clutch setup or is that still something that you would not be able to actuate for very long? What year and model of XR are you trying to use the XR650R plates in? I ask just because I will help you look around for specs to see if the plates will interchange.
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Old 12-11-2011, 08:59 AM   #11688
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Make the wedges out of depleted Uranium....
or 24kt gold? But seriously, it might be worth buying a new friction plate from each bike to inspect, as they are pretty cheap, and you can get an accurate thickness, surface texture, etc. that you can't be sure of with a used one.

What if you went a different route and tried to do something crazy like rigging up some sort of clutch pedal maybe on your right heel? Maybe on the right toe to the right of the brake pedal, no big deal if you have to hit the clutch to hit the brake. Might even be fairly straight forward to mount the existing clutch lever down there somewhere and route the oem cable around somehow.
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:04 AM   #11689
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A quick part number search for the XR650R friction plates shows that they are the same for 00-07 650R and the same discs are used in the 11-12 CRF450R. Now that doesnt mean they will NOT fit the 600, just that they havent got the same part number. The plates fit over 100 different bikes/year models. GB500 to the XR650. L model and R and a whole lot more. You already knew this but I figured that It wouldn't hurt know for sure myself.

This makes me want to pull my side cover off and do some measuring! I will look around more and see if I can come across some better specs, maybe with some measurements.
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Old 12-11-2011, 09:07 AM   #11690
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But seriously, it might be worth buying a new friction plate from each bike to inspect, as they are pretty cheap, and you can get an accurate thickness, surface texture, etc. that you can't be sure of with a used one.?


You bring up a good point, Maybe going to the Honda dealer and seeing if they have a disc from each bike to compare. I know when I try to do strange things with parts that do not belong to my bike the dealer is always eager to know what I am up to and if they can help. Maybe it is just my dealer but it is worth a try. Go see if they have a clutch pack for each of the 2 bikes and have a look-see at them.
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Old 12-11-2011, 11:04 AM   #11691
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For photos of my very old RFVCs check out this post.

I should say that I don't know for a fact why Rekluse had problems with the auto clutch in their test XR650L. The only mention was in the vendor forum where something about the primary gearing prevented the clutch from working properly. The rest is speculation on my part.

Other than some changes to the primary gearing, the clutch designs between the 83 RFVC and all the other RFVCs up to the XR650L is very similar. There are some changes to buffering springs in the basket between the years.

If anybody here gets the Rekluse EXP for their XRR, I would sure like to hear about it

Regarding modifying the existing clutch, I have considered changing/modding the length of the pivot lever on the stator cover to make it adjustable. It seems to me that I have a bunch of extra clutch travel that I could exchange for an easier pull.

I replaced my clutch perch on my 84 with a Flanders copy of the XRR perch with the combo decomp lever. That freed up some space on the bars for my turn signal/headlight/horn switch. I don't think the leverage point on the Flanders perch is any different from my stock Honda perch.

Don't know how a hydraulic clutch would work since I haven't ridden a bike equipped with it since I got the nerve damage in my hands. As it is right now, I must put the bike in neutral at some of the longer stoplights on my work commute. Otherwise my hand will start to cramp up. It is annoying, but I'm very thankful to be here typing this message to you.............the alternative was 6ft under.
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:18 PM   #11692
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As it is right now, I must put the bike in neutral at some of the longer stoplights on my work commute.
I think you want to do that for the sketchy clutch bushing anyway. You don't want the bike stopped in gear clutch in. Naturally you may still want the auto clutch or other solution, but that shouldn't be the issue, it's bad for this bike to be stopped in gear with the clutch disengaged for any period of time.
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Old 12-11-2011, 12:58 PM   #11693
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What if you went a different route and tried to do something crazy like rigging up some sort of clutch pedal maybe on your right heel? Maybe on the right toe to the right of the brake pedal, no big deal if you have to hit the clutch to hit the brake. Might even be fairly straight forward to mount the existing clutch lever down there somewhere and route the oem cable around somehow.
I like that idea. A foot clutch would probably be interesting. I would swap to left hand rear brake, right foot clutch, and left foot shift. It wouldn't be any weirder than 50s bikes!

Alternately how about a lever for a clutch like the "chopper" guys use. Just put a four foot bar sticking up off your frame to push on the clutch master.
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Old 12-11-2011, 02:24 PM   #11694
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This makes me wonder how many people if any, have problems with the old and/or new clutch bushing seizing up due to the use of any of the auto clutch kits.
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Old 12-11-2011, 02:31 PM   #11695
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Just installed a Clarke 4.3, and my handlebar clamps ( top ) are banging the tank at full turn. Any Clarke owners fixed this issue with a set of new clamps? What did you get?

Yeah, mine does the same thing. I'm mostly riding desert and I think I rarely turn to full stop. I did notice my throttle cables get "pinched" between the tank and clamp.

Also, this is my 2nd 4.3 and the first didn't do this. Maybe a new shape or ?
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Old 12-11-2011, 02:32 PM   #11696
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My 4.3 clarke is close but doesn't hit. My bike has aftermarket triples, I think they are Scotts clamps, but not 100% sure.
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Old 12-11-2011, 02:57 PM   #11697
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I had a Scott triple on my previous XR too, with a Clarke 4.3, and it did not hit either. That's an expensive option though. I wonder if that triple sits more forward or something. Regardless, I need to change my clamp.
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Old 12-11-2011, 03:43 PM   #11698
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Yeah, mine does the same thing. I'm mostly riding desert and I think I rarely turn to full stop. I did notice my throttle cables get "pinched" between the tank and clamp.

Also, this is my 2nd 4.3 and the first didn't do this. Maybe a new shape or ?
I have the same combo of triple clamp and tank and there is a little contact on the right side. The interference is rather small (1mm. 0.04") and it has not made a dent, it just discolored a bit over the past 6 years. All my cables are longer so no problem there.

While riding I seldom turn the handlebars that far (and I ride in tight singles in Ontario). When on the kick stand the handlebars rotate to the left, so no problem there.
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Old 12-11-2011, 06:55 PM   #11699
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Anyone here ever replaced a side panel screw? For whatever reason I have one on the bottom left, right side cover, that is stripped or something. Won't come out.

Where is it on the parts fiche?
It doesn't screw into the frame. It has a threaded insert that it screws into. It's likely it's spinning in the frame as well.

As for tires, I vote for Maxxis Desert IT's. They handle everything from mud, sand, and rock. I've tested them thoroughly on both pavement and all the conditions above and no issues what-so-ever. They handle like slicks on pavement. No issues with sliding, squirmy feeling, etc. I've passed sport bikes on these knobbies, and even worn I'm still amazed.

Currently have 6300 km's on mine now. It's worn, but I'm taking it easy on offroad now and doing a little more highway stretching it out. The first 1000 KM of that was mixed on and offroad from Utah/Arizona, then 1500km of Baja almost all offroad.

I'm pushing for 7500+ km to get it to become a slick. Currently in Oaxaca, MX.


As for the Globetrotting product, I have the one pictured a few pages back. Full subframe and side panier racks. Loaded with 70ish lbs and it's holding up fine. No issues at all.

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Old 12-12-2011, 01:17 AM   #11700
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The airbox fasteners have a small clip on the airbox they fasten to I think.

+1 on maxxis desert IT, I really like that tire. I did my best to turn the last one into a slick. Here is a picture of it after about 2500 miles with 600 being highway in one day running through the desert, about 500 general commuting, 2 good adv offroad group rides and the rest a mixture of mexico roads, highways, and dirt going to copper canyon. All told not a walk in the park and it performed admirably in all areas. I try to keep the speed under 70-80 on the highway otherwise it starts chucking knobs, otherwise it was balls to the walls and WOT.



And a random picture because I am missing Mexico, Arizona and the desert.


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