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Old 08-06-2012, 05:26 PM   #13966
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:16 PM   #13967
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2 Quick questions my esteemed colleagues,

1. Just noticed how crappy my rear sprocket looks. I think I might not have gotten it lined up last time I adjusted chain tension. I heard a reference to a tool that ensures that the wheel is mounted straight, anyone know what this is?

And since I need a new rear sprocket, do I need to update the chain as well?? I'm including some pictures so guys can see what shape it's all in. I've been riding a lot on the road lately, so I'm thinking of transitioning from a 15/48 setup to 15/47, thoughts on this?
I would get the Ironman sprockets and chain combo along with some new rear sprocket bolts from Dirt Tricks and then be done with it. I run a 15/46 that works well for me-35% street with the rest offroad.

http://www.dirttricks.com/ordering_sprockets.htm

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Old 08-06-2012, 08:16 PM   #13968
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Long time listener, first time caller. Just picked up an XR650R a week ago after deciding to get a dual sport and doing weeks of research all over the web, including this great thread. I picked up a one-owner bike with only 3100 miles on it that was in pretty good condition. I've just been doing a lot of basic maintenance on it and I made the first big mistake that I thought I would share with you

Now I'm not new to working on vehicles. I have done all the work myself on every car and bike that I've owned, including swapping an engine one time. You would think I could do a frickin' oil change on a bike and not screw it up, right?

Before I bought this bike I did research on how much oil the different dual sport bikes hold, and even what a plated dirt bike would hold so that I could get something that would be reliable enough to commute on and not have ~300 mile oil change intervals. The XR650R looked much more appealing at ~2qts capacity and a longer change interval than some other "full race" bikes with a plate on them. I read all about the trick dry sump system and a few guides on how to drain and refill the system properly. I even have the factory service manual!

So I crack open the frame drain, crack open the motor drain, and pop off the oil filter cover to change the filter as well. I check *one more time* on the internet to refresh myself on any tricks that you guys have learned, making sure I was prepared as all hell!

So I get the filter in and drain bolts torqued back up and go to fill the system. One quart in the frame...no problemo. Crack open second quart and start to pour....@#$%&*&@#$!!!! Oil overflowing all down the side of the frame. *sigh* I clean it up and kick the motor over by hand to try and get some oil pumped into the rest of the motor. Fill up the frame some more and @#$%&*@#$!!! Oil overflowing all over the frame, radiator, shrouds, gas tank, skid plate, you name it...Jesus H Christ...(no offense to religious people).

Alright, lets kick this pig 20 times by foot and get the rest of the oil in...no problem. I fill it up to the manual (and Internet) specified 1.7qts and start the oil level check routine (or so I thought). Start it up, get it really hot, rev it out, make sure it's damn hot and flowin' and all that good stuff, shut it off and then check the level immediately. Well...damn..barely at the bottom of the "low" mark. Let's put in 50-100ml. Start it up, rev it out, get it really hot, "Oh yeah! Bet the neighbors love this!" and check it again immediately after shutting it off. Damn...barely above the "low" mark. Welp, maybe I got ALL of the oil out of the motor and need all 2qts, as the manual says the full system is actually 2qts. Start it up, rev..you get the idea..now it's just below the "high" mark! Sweet!

Cut to this morning. Gonna take a short ride and deposit a check. Motor is running GREAT! Got the carb all dialed in and the damn thing actually idles and makes power after fixing the amazingly rich tuning the PO had it set to. I get to the bank and, you can probably guess, oil all over the frame, my left boot, skid plate, dripping on the ground.

@#$%&$#%@&!!!!!!!!!111one!

So I drained 300ml out today and since it is going to be 102 here in SoCal I'm going to put off checking the level (properly) until tomorrow morning. And wouldn't you know it, my front sprocket is looking nice and shiny and the chain is "strangely" really well oiled and throwing a nice oil mist all over the frame. I swear to god if I blew the countershaft seal I'm gonna lose it.

Lesson: In order to properly check the oil level on an XR650R you need to ride it to put some load on the engine. Revving it out in your garage is not enough. *sigh*
When I change the oil and filter, I fill 1 1/2 quarts of oil. Start the bike and let it run for a couple/few minutes with a couple blips of the throttle (no major revving). Shut it down and add the remainder of the second quart.

When I picked up my XR, it was leaking around the counter shaft a little.
I replaced the seal in probably 15 to 25 minutes. Probably the easiest repair on the bike.

Good luck with the bike and enjoy
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:23 PM   #13969
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2 Quick questions my esteemed colleagues,

1. Just noticed how crappy my rear sprocket looks. I think I might not have gotten it lined up last time I adjusted chain tension. I heard a reference to a tool that ensures that the wheel is mounted straight, anyone know what this is?

And since I need a new rear sprocket, do I need to update the chain as well?? I'm including some pictures so guys can see what shape it's all in. I've been riding a lot on the road lately, so I'm thinking of transitioning from a 15/48 setup to 15/47, thoughts on this?







2. I noticed this little crack on the right side of my engine, is this cause for concern?

Dang, I think you got all the life out of that back sprocket!!
The front looks a little stretched. I would replace both sprockets and chain if you can afford. and lube the new chain more often than the old one.

On another note, I think I have that same casting mark on my case also.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:40 PM   #13970
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2 Quick questions my esteemed colleagues,


And since I need a new rear sprocket, do I need ..... as well??

thoughts on this?


Based on the looks of that rear sprocket, when was the last time you lubed your swing arm bearings???

They could be seized
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:19 AM   #13971
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2 quick questions my esteemed colleagues,

1. Just noticed how crappy my rear sprocket looks. I think i might not have gotten it lined up last time i adjusted chain tension. I heard a reference to a tool that ensures that the wheel is mounted straight, anyone know what this is?

And since i need a new rear sprocket, do i need to update the chain as well?? I'm including some pictures so guys can see what shape it's all in. I've been riding a lot on the road lately, so i'm thinking of transitioning from a 15/48 setup to 15/47, thoughts on this?







2. I noticed this little crack on the right side of my engine, is this cause for concern?

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Old 08-07-2012, 02:35 AM   #13972
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Mine used to drain fuel out of the overflow tubes when it was on unlevel ground on the side stand.
And over jumps or whoops the engine would die / flat spot.

So to overcome that, i raised the float to 16mm instead of 18mm as the manual suggests.

Then i had to adjust the mixture screw after raising the float.
Raise ? I would say lover to get the fuel level lover it the carb ? I am Confused .
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:39 AM   #13973
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You mean increasing from the std 18 to 19 mm - I agree, and this is what ZXR should do. You'll read about it often, and is alleged to cure the pissing when leant over.
ZXR, you measure whilst turning the carb upside-down whilst you blow through a fuelline to find where it closes, and at that angle (which will not be 180 deg's inverted) you measure the top-of-float to the carb's gasket-surface (withOUT gasket, just in case.
Also, the reassembled carb you shake before mounting. The float-assy must be heard to move, as some do stick.


By the sounds of it the PO was a mechanical crunt, so I would plan on stipping (find the r earlier) lots to check, and to reassemble properly. Thankful work though, you will know it is correct then.
Thanks for the info Lads i will do this . And yes the previous owner was very " unique " in the way that he decided to have hot cams instead of new oil and airfilter with no holes , The more i am looking at the bike the more faults i see
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Old 08-07-2012, 02:43 AM   #13974
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Long time listener, first time caller. Just picked up an XR650R a week ago after deciding to get a dual sport and doing weeks of research all over the web, including this great thread. I picked up a one-owner bike with only 3100 miles on it that was in pretty good condition. I've just been doing a lot of basic maintenance on it and I made the first big mistake that I thought I would share with you

Now I'm not new to working on vehicles. I have done all the work myself on every car and bike that I've owned, including swapping an engine one time. You would think I could do a frickin' oil change on a bike and not screw it up, right?

Before I bought this bike I did research on how much oil the different dual sport bikes hold, and even what a plated dirt bike would hold so that I could get something that would be reliable enough to commute on and not have ~300 mile oil change intervals. The XR650R looked much more appealing at ~2qts capacity and a longer change interval than some other "full race" bikes with a plate on them. I read all about the trick dry sump system and a few guides on how to drain and refill the system properly. I even have the factory service manual!

So I crack open the frame drain, crack open the motor drain, and pop off the oil filter cover to change the filter as well. I check *one more time* on the internet to refresh myself on any tricks that you guys have learned, making sure I was prepared as all hell!

So I get the filter in and drain bolts torqued back up and go to fill the system. One quart in the frame...no problemo. Crack open second quart and start to pour....@#$%&*&@#$!!!! Oil overflowing all down the side of the frame. *sigh* I clean it up and kick the motor over by hand to try and get some oil pumped into the rest of the motor. Fill up the frame some more and @#$%&*@#$!!! Oil overflowing all over the frame, radiator, shrouds, gas tank, skid plate, you name it...Jesus H Christ...(no offense to religious people).

Alright, lets kick this pig 20 times by foot and get the rest of the oil in...no problem. I fill it up to the manual (and Internet) specified 1.7qts and start the oil level check routine (or so I thought). Start it up, get it really hot, rev it out, make sure it's damn hot and flowin' and all that good stuff, shut it off and then check the level immediately. Well...damn..barely at the bottom of the "low" mark. Let's put in 50-100ml. Start it up, rev it out, get it really hot, "Oh yeah! Bet the neighbors love this!" and check it again immediately after shutting it off. Damn...barely above the "low" mark. Welp, maybe I got ALL of the oil out of the motor and need all 2qts, as the manual says the full system is actually 2qts. Start it up, rev..you get the idea..now it's just below the "high" mark! Sweet!

Cut to this morning. Gonna take a short ride and deposit a check. Motor is running GREAT! Got the carb all dialed in and the damn thing actually idles and makes power after fixing the amazingly rich tuning the PO had it set to. I get to the bank and, you can probably guess, oil all over the frame, my left boot, skid plate, dripping on the ground.

@#$%&$#%@&!!!!!!!!!111one!

So I drained 300ml out today and since it is going to be 102 here in SoCal I'm going to put off checking the level (properly) until tomorrow morning. And wouldn't you know it, my front sprocket is looking nice and shiny and the chain is "strangely" really well oiled and throwing a nice oil mist all over the frame. I swear to god if I blew the countershaft seal I'm gonna lose it.

Lesson: In order to properly check the oil level on an XR650R you need to ride it to put some load on the engine. Revving it out in your garage is not enough. *sigh*
I have filled it up with exactly 1.6 litres of oil , ( stopped few times and kicked the starter to get the oil around and out of the frame tank ) and managed to spill little bit too , i am going to check the oil level after good ride . ( its going to be the first ride - i have not riden the bike yet because it was in state that i dont consider safe to ride . )
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Old 08-07-2012, 03:19 AM   #13975
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ZXR,

it's just work plus some new parts (bolts, seals, washers etc), so do a Nike - 'Just Do It'


Aaron,

I'm with Marcus, buy an Ironman rear sprocket - which is steel and light, it will last. Your (aluminium?) rear is gone (that actually is the understatement for this year!) which means you've stretched your chain (ergo also a new one) which in turn has worn your c/s.... so also this one to be renewed. But that's in any case something you should do, renew the whole lot when something shows 'worn'.
Once you have the new set on, gearing your choice, then try lubing at times? Even your old oil engine oil is better than nothing......


Phorensic,

Welcome here with your bike. No revving or riding required after changing oil, just some idling is all you need - say a few minutes until the engine is warmish or warm. But adding just over half the oil first is a good habit as you've learned now, then starting, idling - then checking. Then fill up to the mark, and off you go.
You did clean the screen on the downtube did you - the one just 'behind' the plug? If not you want to do this, as this bike is new to you, better make sure. On this, behind the clutch cover there's a second screen, and with a used bike this one I'd check first! If any metal filings are found here you best make sure you find where that's coming from, and if it is brass then this may point at your bigend thrustwashers. Make sure? Costs a gasket and an hour, that's all.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:41 AM   #13976
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Hey Burpsa as you know i was unable to clean the screen on the downtube or even check it and it is in bad state =
i need new one , and i cannot find the part number nowhere , i have found the exploded diagram - schematic thingy but no part number , i need to cal honda and order new one just dont know how to explain to them what i want (woman on the other side of phone line ) thank you i advance .
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:33 AM   #13977
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You mean increasing from the std 18 to 19 mm - I agree, and this is what ZXR should do. You'll read about it often, and is alleged to cure the pissing when leant over.
ZXR, you measure whilst turning the carb upside-down whilst you blow through a fuelline to find where it closes, and at that angle (which will not be 180 deg's inverted) you measure the top-of-float to the carb's gasket-surface (withOUT gasket, just in case.
Also, the reassembled carb you shake before mounting. The float-assy must be heard to move, as some do stick.

By the sounds of it the PO was a mechanical crunt, so I would plan on stipping (find the r earlier) lots to check, and to reassemble properly. Thankful work though, you will know it is correct then.
Your right mate,
i had it back to front.
I set mine at 18mm, lower the float.

Thanks for the correction mate.
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:35 AM   #13978
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Raise ? I would say lover to get the fuel level lover it the carb ? I am Confused .
Sorry mate for the confusion,
lower the float is what i did with mine.
to 18mm.
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:39 AM   #13979
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Thanks for the advice, gentleman.

I got the bike in June of '11 from a fellow ADVrider. I've never lubed that infamous swingarm bearing, but I've never noticed anything irregular that would lead me to believe it's seized.

What speeds are you getting on 15/46? I could cruise comfortably at 65, 70 was ok but felt a little high on the throttle, maxed out at 83.

And yeah I'm pretty sure i decimated that rear sprocket through a misaligned back wheel, I was checking my tire pressure and I couldn't believe what I saw. I'm thinking that I wore it down extremely fast.
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:26 AM   #13980
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Thanks for the advice, gentleman.

I got the bike in June of '11 from a fellow ADVrider. I've never lubed that infamous swingarm bearing, but I've never noticed anything irregular that would lead me to believe it's seized.

What speeds are you getting on 15/46? I could cruise comfortably at 65, 70 was ok but felt a little high on the throttle, maxed out at 83.

And yeah I'm pretty sure i decimated that rear sprocket through a misaligned back wheel, I was checking my tire pressure and I couldn't believe what I saw. I'm thinking that I wore it down extremely fast.
I run 15/45 for logging roads and gravel. On the highway I run about 70 mph at 5500rpm.
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