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Old 07-30-2013, 02:27 PM   #9541
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most of the bearings we use are a c-3 fit,,meaning, they allow for heat expansion. The bearings in a moto hub don't turn anywhere near as fast as the bearings are intended for. Not even close!
over greasing a ball bearing causes the balls to slide rather than roll, this leads to spalling, and failure.
Sealed bearings are "greased for life", meaning the expected life of the bearing, but considering that that intended use may be in an electric motor running at a constant speed and without impact or weather exposure. Bearings are cheap enough to just replace when you change tires, if you source them.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:20 PM   #9542
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The Grease they put in from the factory is pretty skimpy. I carefully pick the seal off the bearing and pack them with a quality grease then reinstall the seal.

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30+ years of doing this to wheel bearings, old and new. I've NEVER had a wheel bearing failure that wasn't directly a result of moisture and poor maintenance. Wheel bearings turn fairly slow with a reasonably high radial load, so heat and roller/ball skidding isn't a likely failure mode. Rust pitting on the race/roller surface always starts the death spiral...

Not only is picking the seal and cleaning/lubing (not too much, just a squirt with a chainsaw needle) a good plan about once per year, but you can really help the cause by cleaning and filling the lips on the outside dust seals with grease. This provides an external barrier to help keep water away from the shitty little seals in the bearings. Wipe a light coat of grease on your axle while it's out too, so you don't have to drive it out with a hammer next year.

Avoid pressure washing this part of your bike too - a bearing douche will be the result.

As always, your mileage may vary, and I'm likely just a mouthy know-it-all drunk on Angry Orchard right now. Love this shit!!
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:42 PM   #9543
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god I wish I knew what the frack you guys were talking about.....
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:43 AM   #9544
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Nice advice and choice of drink Miguel. I'll try that method next time I have the wheel off (the cleaning and extra grease on the outside). I always rub a little grease on my axle when I have it out.
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:46 AM   #9545
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+1

30+ years of doing this. I've NEVER had a failure that wasn't directly a result of moisture and poor maintenance. Heat and ball skidding starts the death spiral...
Wipe while it's out too, so you don't have to drive it out with a hammer next year.

Avoid pressure washing this part too - a douche will be the result.

As always, your mileage may vary, and I'm likely drunk on Angry Orchard right now. Love this shit!!
I couldn't agree more. It seems the older you get the more of a problem "Ball Skidding" becomes. Along with heat and moisture, gravity also plays a large part. One must be much more aware of this potentially painful situation if you are prone to wearing loose fitting garmets, Kilts or going "Pooh Bear".

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Old 07-31-2013, 10:13 AM   #9546
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It seems the older you get the more of a problem "Ball Skidding" becomes.
Case in point...This image is of OMB's 70mph low-side on the Alvord. The arrow pin-points an area we thought was where the foot-peg touched down. But in retrospect, it's more likely the impact zone of the painful "One-Hung-Low"!





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Old 07-31-2013, 10:35 AM   #9547
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well,,
you could just buy a better grade of bearing,,be prepared to step up with your wallet!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABEC_scale
Because I buy at OEM pricing, I buy the standard off the shelf c-3's by the dozen,,and change 'em often.
small enough to carry a complete bearing change in your tool kit too,,in case somebody needs 'em.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:36 PM   #9548
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Case in point...This image is of OMB's 70mph low-side on the Alvord. The arrow pin-points an area we thought was where the foot-peg touched down. But in retrospect, it's more likely the impact zone of the painful "One-Hung-Low"!





I remember exactly what made that mark. At the point this was taken I had already completed the 180 portion of the program without scrubbing much speed and was hauling ass backwards. I put my foot down hoping I could slide to a stop on three points of contact without dying. Didn't work..all hell broke loose shortly thereafter. I finally quit flopping around out on the dry stuff past where the bikes are parked. Whattafrickenride.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:39 PM   #9549
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Mmmm,,ribs!

For your dining pleasure this evening,,
Chef smoked up a bunch of ribs and chicken,,so,,smoked BBQ ribs or chicken with mac/cheese, cornbread, and like that.
"you can have either one," she said,,,

'but, but, what if I want both?' I asked.
She mentioned a 'to-go' box,,,
I said,,"I'll have the meatloaf then."
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:08 AM   #9550
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thanks,,

thanks TBlume for the help with the forky seal!
I'll pour in some clean forkoil today, and I'm good to go!
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:32 AM   #9551
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thanks TBlume for the help with the forky seal!
I'll pour in some clean forkoil today, and I'm good to go!
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:33 AM   #9552
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Is there anyone who'd be willing to put on a new rear tire and rear wheel bearings? I'll have both inbound in a week or two. I'd try it myself but on the mechanical aptitude front...I can change my oil and adjust my chain, and I even installed a new speedo cable, but...a man's gotta know his limitations, and....I ain't there yet.
("there" being the rear tire thing...not the man thing...I mean being a man...not having one...I mean.......aw forget it)
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:02 AM   #9553
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Is there anyone who'd be willing to put on a new rear tire and rear wheel bearings? I'll have both inbound in a week or two. I'd try it myself but on the mechanical aptitude front...I can change my oil and adjust my chain, and I even installed a new speedo cable, but...a man's gotta know his limitations, and....I ain't there yet.
("there" being the rear tire thing...not the man thing...I mean being a man...not having one...I mean.......aw forget it)
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Marlon, you're welcome (almost) anytime to use my shop, tools, and long experience with such matters...

As a prerequisite, you really should see http://advwisdom.hogranch.com/Wisdom...0Changing.html for a good lesson in the basics of tire changing.

I do have a solid bead breaker and a static balancer that you are welcome to come and use. Yes, I'll stand by and razz you as needed.... As for the bearings, I'm sure we can stumble through it together. . You've got a service manual for that thing, right?


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Old 08-01-2013, 01:08 PM   #9554
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why do you think you need bearing already?
for the rear you need :
2 pcs. 6004 2 rs
1pc. 6204 2rs
1pc. 6203 2rs

front hub uses a 6203 and a 6202,,both 2rs (rubber seal)
I have all of them on my shelf if you want to come and get them.
My prices are flexible,,depending on beer delivered at time of sale.
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:47 PM   #9555
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A little more grovelling, please!



Marlon, you're welcome (almost) anytime to use my shop, tools, and long experience with such matters...

As a prerequisite, you really should see http://advwisdom.hogranch.com/Wisdom...0Changing.html for a good lesson in the basics of tire changing.

I do have a solid bead breaker and a static balancer that you are welcome to come and use. Yes, I'll stand by and razz you as needed.... As for the bearings, I'm sure we can stumble through it together. . You've got a service manual for that thing, right?


they make service manuals?....that must be what the mechanics at the bike shops were looking at from time to time. I'm gonna take you up on the offer of shop/tool time and hopefully, by "razz" you mean "you'll do the work and explain it step by step so I can learn". Peter's gonna hook me up with some bearings/seals. I should have the $'s in a few weeks for the tire and bearings....unless my kid needs another filling, or one of the cats needs somethin' dug outta it's ear or some other shit that cats apparently need.

Speaking of "need"....anyone here in the market for a kitten(s)? We've got two males and two other-than-males. They're more towards 'cattens' than kittens now, and they're all litter box trained. C'mon you ff's....just think of the mileage you'd get with the 'significant other' if you brought home a sweet kitten.

Edit to add....just think of the mileage you'd get with ME if you took one of these things outta my hands (and by mileage I don't mean nothin'...."unnatural" though)
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