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Old 07-24-2012, 09:13 AM   #5026
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who wants to see me kicking my xr for over 5minutes, not getting it to start
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:22 AM   #5027
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It won't be the stator, the stator either works or it doesn't but they rarely fail as there is no moving parts, you might break a wire or have a bad connection but only if someone has screwed with it in the past. It could be the Pulse generator wire might be broken, I had that happen on my 88 XR600, it would start, run for a few minutes, I'd take off and it would die. I searched every electrical part and all it was, was the wire as it entered the case had rubbed a hole in it and was shorting out on the frame. I patched it up with new wire and some waterproof butt connectors and it hasn't failed me yet.

Most likely your starting problems is just incorrect attempts at starting the beast. If the carb is set right you should choke it to the top level, find your top compression point and give it a few kicks with zero throttle, it should fire up but resist the urge to immediately chop the throttle, I usually let it run for about 30 seconds at idle, then reach under and move the choke to the half setting and try to crack the throttle just a little to bring up the revs. Let it warm up for a couple minutes before pulling away. If you need to leave the choke in this half position, pull away getting some speed up and reach under and push the choke down as you throttle away. Works damn near every time for me.

First things first replace the stock flapper choke plate with an XR's Only solid plate before the grenade claims another victim. These things are notorious for fatigue breaking and getting gobbled up and destroying complete top ends on all the XR's. If your any good with metal shaping I suppose you could just make one of your own by making a template from the stocker and drilling a 1/8" bleed hole near the bottom of the plate to let in needed air pressure to richen the mix. I made one in the past and it works fine for what it is, saved quite a bit from the XR's Only item. The trick is to cut or grind the back side of the screws flush with the cross bar or you'll destroy the bar trying to muscle the screws out. They flair the screws at the factory to keep them from backing out, which to me is just dumb that they did that but still made the stock choke plate so flimsy that it fails instead.

I hope that helps you our, we did a front sprocket change to gain highway cruising speeds for a big trip I recently took, that way if your in a situation that you need stock gearing for some trees or extended off road sections but still need highway speeds, its not too hard to change on the trail. I ran a 17 front for highway and a 15 front for the forest with the stock 50 in the rear. I was getting easy cruising speeds around 65mph with a top speed of 80mph wide open, if you keep your 48 rear, try a 16 front for the road and a 14 for the trail. Tighten chain accordingly when you swap them out, but set the chain length for the larger combo if you plan to change them on the trail. You may find the 16/48 ratio is still fine on the trail, the bike will just feel a little low on torque, I'm a big guy at 6'3" and 270lbs, I need all the help I can get.

Good luck, I hope this helps. Later Travis
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:56 AM   #5028
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Royal,

Pull the plug, put it back in the plug boot and ground it to the header. Kick the engine over and see if there is any spark. This may require two people to do. Report back.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:58 AM   #5029
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Royal,

Pull the plug, put it back in the plug boot and ground it to the header. Kick the engine over and see if there is any spark. This may require two people to do. Report back.
my XR starts fine nowadays, except for the fact the top end is disassembled ;)

I did some tweaking on the pilot screw and now it starts in one kick cold and max 3 when its hot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCuZI...ilpage#t=1379s
this is footage from before tweaking the carb
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Old 07-24-2012, 10:16 AM   #5030
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It won't be the stator, the stator either works or it doesn't but they rarely fail as there is no moving parts...
I have seen numerous posts about stator failure. Enough so that it seems to be fairly common to the XR.

And, they can get weak without failing completely. My XR became hard to start when hot. It would start cold just fine, but once it heated up it would take many kicks to start. This condition worsened until, finally the bike would not start at all.

When I pulled the stator cover, I found that the two poles that ran the ignition were blackened as though burned. I put in a Ricky stator, and it fired right up. It now starts easily, hot or cold, often on one kick.
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:29 AM   #5031
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I have seen numerous posts about stator failure. Enough so that it seems to be fairly common to the XR.

And, they can get weak without failing completely. My XR became hard to start when hot. It would start cold just fine, but once it heated up it would take many kicks to start. This condition worsened until, finally the bike would not start at all.

When I pulled the stator cover, I found that the two poles that ran the ignition were blackened as though burned. I put in a Ricky stator, and it fired right up. It now starts easily, hot or cold, often on one kick.
^ This !!

The stock stator DOES go after a while, all the heat cycling from the engine oil gets to it after 25 years ( in my case, since I have an '87 )
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:54 AM   #5032
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I can admit when I'm wrong, I stand corrected. I also have a late model stator that I hand wound for about 150w charging circuit but I left the ignition section stock, all that to replace the stock weak ass 88 stator.

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:48 PM   #5033
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here is a funny anecdote(at least now to me in retrospect)

the xr/xl stators are awesome, well made, and last a long time...


so much that a kid over on another site started a thread saying he was bummed and felt betrayed that he only got 60k, yes 60 thousand miles out of his oem stator...and wanted opinions on how long a rikcy stator lasts on same bike...

I gave my input...

I eventually cracked and made some funny quips and then actually started getting mad that this dufus would not/could not understand that these stators were performing despite the harsh conditions they endure...

they are bathed in dirty acid HOT oil and yet they still last 10-20-30years...

so I told the guy replace with a ricky for $150 and be happy for the next trouble free 5-10-15 years whatever, and as a bonus you get 200watts of lighting power... the point is its cheaper than a $400 stock stator

he got so livid I got a message from admin saying to keep my thoughts to myself blah blah blah

yet the poster started getting mad at people who could not give exact mileage reports(on and odo less xr)no less and I just flipped...took a break for like a month...

in any case

the point I guess is stock stators can and will last and stand abuse they are just not and do not offer anything special lighting wise...

they fail when the epoxy coating eventually burns and crack, once it cracks the individual windings cannot tolerate the same conditions and they short and fail

once that happens you get intermitent firing and fouling of a plug in short order

a lot of people do not notice this because they never get the bike hot enough or ride long enough to enjoy such intermitent PLEASURE and think its carb issues

anywhose

after this diarheaa just remember get the stator working well, electricals, and if that is all good including plug and cap then you can start with the carb and getting that sorted out

the drill is easy once you do it say 100 times

jajajaja

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Old 07-24-2012, 12:58 PM   #5034
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Anyone have a kick stand for an XR600 (94) they are willing to part with for a reasonable price? PM me if ya got one.

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I do at home. I'll be there this weekend. so it won't go out right away....
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:01 PM   #5035
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Stator Tales

Back in the day when my XR600 was new I found a XL600 basket case and used the electrics to make my bike street legal. It was running fine. For a while. My bud and I wanted to do the LA-Barsto-Vegas dual sport ride, again. Bikes loaded up and the 400+ mile drive to LA. At the start of the event we unload the bikes and lo and behold my bike won't start. It ran the day before. WTF??? I followed my buddy for the trip to Vegas and along the way I found a Honda support truck. No, they didn't have a XR stator on hand but he did give me a pulse generator that I still have. So in the end my bike got a trip to Vegas in the back of my truck and back home due to a faulty stator. I ended up sending my stator to Baja Designs for rewinding and it's still in the bike to this day. This was before Ricky Stator came to be.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:16 PM   #5036
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It ran the day before. WTF???
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That is what mine did. One day I went for a ride, and the bike started OK when cold, and started with much effort when hot, as it had been for some time. The next day, nuttin, nada, not even a sputter.
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:43 PM   #5037
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I'll be getting my stator rewound by BD so I can run brighter lights. The question is do I need to replace the fly wheel?

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Old 07-24-2012, 06:41 PM   #5038
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snake lake ohv trail

I'd like to show the 600 fans a bit of the stuff we were riding on over this last weekend.
I have just made up a little video of this one section. (there's a tremedous amount of video/pictures to process still)
This is just about like going off a cliff...
I had to walk my bike down part of this. Then wavey davey did the same, but the crf 450 guy tried to ride it!
Needless to say he fell...and his ribs hit a boulder! Ohhh!

Out of the four days I was there I only did about 120 miles total ohv/plated, as the whole place is one BIG jumble of rock.

This snake lake ohv trail leads down to an area I had searched multipal times in the past to find these ancient indian petroglyphs.
This time I finaly was successfull at finding them!





This blue rock in the middle of no-where is covered with prehistoric petroglyphs, as well as modern graffiti...#$%^&.
Asshats scribbled their initials all over it! But you can see how these indians were keeping track of the days/years/hunting/climate conditions and such. There were acorn grinding holes too.

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Old 07-24-2012, 08:38 PM   #5039
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I'll be getting my stator rewound by BD so I can run brighter lights. The question is do I need to replace the fly wheel?

That's interesting...I would say no, but the cause of that would worry me a bit. It only looks like superficial damage, not a gouge on the flywheel itself. Regardless, would like to know how that came about.

Regarding stators, they are known to go kaput after so much time. Pulse generators are cheaper; I had an 87 XR with the same symptoms that drove me nuts. I replaced the stator and still had the same problems, until I bought a pulse generator and healed that issue. My 86 (knock on wood...) has yet to have said issue, but I think the pulse generator was replaced about 2-3 years before I bought it.

Ricky stator is $125.00 shipped, which is a pretty good deal. I have a new one in a box waiting to go in my XR6 (laziness...) soon, as I plan to upgrade my lighting system.
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Old 07-24-2012, 11:26 PM   #5040
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Thanks everyone for there advice on starting this thumper. I think I just got to practice my guts out.
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