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Old 03-14-2013, 05:34 PM   #7306
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How´s that cheap beer treatin´ ya ?


uuuhm is it not apparent??????????????? its the same beer from the beach and bike pic a couple of pages back, jejeje

im(in sailing terms) 3 sheets to the wind ajajajajajaja
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Old 03-14-2013, 05:51 PM   #7307
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im(in sailing terms) 3 sheets to the wind ajajajajajaja
My housemate brought me back a 6 pack of these beers from Melbourne. Actually pretty good. Lord nelsons three sheets.

http://tipplesbeer.com/2010/12/23/lo...-three-sheets/

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Well, atleast now you know where your oil went ...

Is it just me, or are there remnants of sealant along the head?
No idea hey, you tell me! There is chunks of black rubbery shit so maybe?

Problem number 2...how do you get the jug off? Taken out the two small bolts and the four larger ones from the jug.

Is it just a matter of persuasion with me mallet of doom? Or have I missed something?

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Old 03-14-2013, 06:38 PM   #7308
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Get a bigger hammer.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:07 PM   #7309
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Get a bigger hammer.
We must speak the same language Steve, bigger hammer equaled success!





So the piston is scored on both intake and exhaust side, and bore seems a bit rooted too but I found this pic the most worrying:


The bluing and the flat shiny marks where it looks like its hit something...Does that mean the rod is buggered as well? Say it aint so.
Oh and PS, it's a ProX rod for what its worth.

And the Ballards 630 stickers were just for show. It might've had a 630 kit through it at some point, but the bore is definitely 97mm.

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Old 03-14-2013, 08:50 PM   #7310
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The bluing is normal from Honda. The crank is fine. Your next issue is deciding on which piston to buy. And who will be doing the boring.

Read this:

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=713831

It has everything you need to know
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:33 PM   #7311
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The bluing is normal from Honda. The crank is fine. Your next issue is deciding on which piston to buy. And who will be doing the boring.

Read this:

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=713831

It has everything you need to know
Cool I'll start the research. I've actually already read that thread of yours a couple of months ago before I bought my XR! Good read.

Also should I be concerned about this absolutely massive pile of metal shavings sitting in the crankcase?

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Old 03-15-2013, 01:51 AM   #7312
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Cool I'll start the research. I've actually already read that thread of yours a couple of months ago before I bought my XR! Good read.

Also should I be concerned about this absolutely massive pile of metal shavings sitting in the crankcase?

Holy Shit Captain. Nothin worse. Hope all that shrapnel is not from gear box hard facing??? Anyone?
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:12 AM   #7313
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Cool I'll start the research. I've actually already read that thread of yours a couple of months ago before I bought my XR! Good read.

Also should I be concerned about this absolutely massive pile of metal shavings sitting in the crankcase?

This is painful to watch John, that is indeed like you said a 'pile' of shavings, sorry for saying so.

I gather you will be pulling the cases apart anyway to atleast check the drum spring because of your shifting problem. You will have to take a good look at the surfaces of your gears.

Here's to hoping that it's just remnants of the piston rings and scrapings from the jug !


And to get back on my earlier statement, yes it does look like there are sealant remnants along the head, meaning someone used silicone sealant on the headgasket. Major faux pas...

I can't help you with parts for the top-end from my end, hopefully you manage to scrounge up what you need from Steve and others to keep down cost !
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:53 AM   #7314
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Well the one good thing about all those bits on the pulse generator is that the material wasn't flowing through out the rest of the engine but that may not be good anyway.

OK, I went back and looked at the cam and rocker pictures again. The material isn't from them or the cylinder. There just wasn't enough damage to the cylinder to generate that much stuff.

So where did it come from? I'll bet from the transmission. Was the bike making any kind of whining noise as you rode it?

We will find out shortly when you split the cases.
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Old 03-15-2013, 09:12 AM   #7315
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The carbon deposit on my head stretches to a full 103 mm in diameter, would this mean that the head was once used in a big-bore setup?

I'm still running the 97 mm bore myself

Doesn't really matter I think, just curious






And here's a nice comparison for you gearheads, the difference between an old and a new camchain-tensioner spring.
The new one being on the bottom.
Much more ignificant a difference than I would have expected...



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Old 03-15-2013, 10:03 AM   #7316
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Wonder how much of that metal wasn't captured by the magnet?
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How the hell, and why would this happen??








The oilpump drivegear has been eating away at the internal oil bypassline
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:32 AM   #7318
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How the hell, and why would this happen??








The oilpump drivegear has been eating away at the internal oil bypassline

What your not showing is that pipe as it mounts to the case. I'll bet it's not seated correctly.
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:52 AM   #7319
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word!

the pipe not seating correctly is also part of the reason you are having oil system malfunction and more than likely the reason you topend started starving for oil

also when I replaced those orings I purposely BENT the tang that hold the pipe in place as well as use the best fitting oring even though it might not have been the exact part by honda.

these orings along with the outer crank case seal are so important words cannot describe! jajaja

cheers
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:55 AM   #7320
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What your not showing is that pipe as it mounts to the case. I'll bet it's not seated correctly.

Which do you mean exactly? This one?



It's seated correctly.

I think I know what happened.
While back I took out the oil pump, since I didn't wanna take out the entire clutch etcetera I just slightly bent the internal line to be able to get the pump out.
Upon replacing the pump and bending back the line it must have taken a slightly different curvature, resulting in the drivegear rubbing the thing.

Yes I know, not how the people at Honda would like to see it done

I gave the internal line a few firm taps with a small nylon hammer to nudge it further into the case a little, now when I replace the gear it appears to run fully free.

Not too happy with this and myself though...

I'll just file this one under 'live and learn' I guess
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