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Old 03-15-2013, 11:56 AM   #7321
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word!

the pipe not seating correctly is also part of the reason you are having oil system malfunction and more than likely the reason you topend started starving for oil

also when I replaced those orings I purposely BENT the tang that hold the pipe in place as well as use the best fitting oring even though it might not have been the exact part by honda.

these orings along with the outer crank case seal are so important words cannot describe! jajaja

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Must have me confused with someone else

My top-end is just fine buddy
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:08 PM   #7322
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:48 PM   #7323
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There is the right way to do something and well, everything else.
I'm more of a grey area kind of guy

But yeah, live and learn
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Old 03-15-2013, 01:08 PM   #7324
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Must have me confused with someone else

My top-end is just fine buddy
thought you were reposting a pic of jhons engine, geeze sorry

still you almost killed youre engine jajajaja a little mor grinding an poop
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Old 03-15-2013, 02:22 PM   #7325
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thought you were reposting a pic of jhons engine, geeze sorry

still you almost killed youre engine jajajaja a little mor grinding an poop
Sure did, lucky I found this by accident !

Could have ended badly
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Old 03-15-2013, 04:33 PM   #7326
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Sure did, lucky I found this by accident !

Could have ended badly
Haha, I feel like I'm now the example for problems from oil starvation.

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Holy Shit Captain. Nothin worse. Hope all that shrapnel is not from gear box hard facing??? Anyone?
Yeah man I hear you, really hope not as well. But as mcma111 says, where else would it come from? Damnit hey

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Well the one good thing about all those bits on the pulse generator is that the material wasn't flowing through out the rest of the engine but that may not be good anyway.

OK, I went back and looked at the cam and rocker pictures again. The material isn't from them or the cylinder. There just wasn't enough damage to the cylinder to generate that much stuff.

So where did it come from? I'll bet from the transmission. Was the bike making any kind of whining noise as you rode it?

We will find out shortly when you split the cases.
Whining noises? Well I was whining a fair bit myself. My constant stream of curses, abuse and encouragement drown out a lot of the other noises as I limped it home the last 20kms. But no, I didn't hear it (although I had earplugs in) just that solid knocking noise.

I'm sure we'll talk about this when I split the case, but if the transmission is fucked as well, then will this become to $$$? We'll see I guess.

Re the parts, I was thinking OEM cam (do you or others here suggest the hotcam?).

I would like to keep the compression around stock so 9.1-10.5, with the maximum bore out to 100mm. I'm fairly sure it doesn't have the Nickasil lining anymore, my magnet sticks pretty damn well to it. I was probably going to stick with OEM, Pro-X, JE or Wossner although looking at cost (and possibly reliability) maybe just OEM. Can you get that is oversized?

Head and base gasket will be OEM, crankcase covers I don't care. Something cheap.

I'm still a bit pissed off that I was told (and for that matter the previous owner was told too) that is has a Ballards 630cc kit in it. Lying pricks, a sticker on the swingarm isn't the same as a oversized piston in the bore.

John

PS. Can you split the crankcase without a splitter? Cause otherwise I'm fuckkkked
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Old 03-15-2013, 05:40 PM   #7327
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hotcams wtf?

how bout what I told you about? jajajajajaja

good luck

spliitin cases isnt that hard, need a friend or place with an air gun or a helper to hold the clutch basket etc...same for stator wheel, etc...after that its like 11 allen bolts and cases come apart

easy peasy! jajaja someone else says that..I think you know who that is

ps HOTCAMS?????????????????????????????
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Old 03-15-2013, 05:46 PM   #7328
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The only reason to pull the stator is if the crank is coming out otherwise leave it in place.
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:46 PM   #7329
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hotcams wtf?

how bout what I told you about? jajajajajaja

good luck

spliitin cases isnt that hard, need a friend or place with an air gun or a helper to hold the clutch basket etc...same for stator wheel, etc...after that its like 11 allen bolts and cases come apart

easy peasy! jajaja someone else says that..I think you know who that is

ps HOTCAMS?????????????????????????????
Ahhh sorry man, I completely forgot (already I know). So much shit going on with this bike in the space of like 3 days! I should've said, what about the CW cams, and how do they compare to OEM?

Also, for other people who are going to get the clutch off...you don't need a rattle gun or clutch holding tool. Well at least my dodgy ghetto home version didn't: put it in top gear, apply the rear brake and undo the centre nut. Viola, done.

Photos to come soon!
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Old 03-16-2013, 12:01 AM   #7330
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So after I did a very similar thing with my 6er (got toasty mid July and ran out of oil) , I boxed the motor up left for school and decided to deal with it later as I didn't have the time or money to deal with it then.

So I now have some money to deal with it. I really wish I could take this project on myself, but I don't have the supplies to do it here and I want it to be ready for me when I go home for school.

I am thinking that I am going to take it back to the guy that built it back in the 90s and have him do the work unless I find someone else more local to do the work..

I will see if I can dig up my photos of the damage that I found and see what you guys think the guestimated monetary damage will be.

I just want her back together so that I can ride.


EDIT: Hmm.. The old mechanic is located in Chico now.. Which is pretty close to you mcma111.. I am heading that way in a few weeks anyways. Your 650 rebuild makes me think that I might want you to do the work for me.. PM sent..

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Old 03-16-2013, 10:04 AM   #7331
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Any suggestions on getting it out? It's almost FUBAR, everything I do one more chip comes off...




It is absolutely beyond me why Honda opted for this method, instead of a hex or something
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:14 AM   #7332
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Drill a small hole off to one side, you don't have to go all of the way through and beat it with a punch.
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:45 AM   #7333
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Any suggestions on getting it out? It's almost FUBAR, everything I do one more chip comes off...




It is absolutely beyond me why Honda opted for this method, instead of a hex or something
2euro coin and a pipewrench? (waterpomptang..)
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Old 03-16-2013, 11:52 AM   #7334
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2euro coin and a pipewrench? (waterpomptang..)
Tried it, no cigar...

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Drill a small hole off to one side, you don't have to go all of the way through and beat it with a punch.
What I was thinking, I'll try that later on.

Good news is, I found a used one at a wrecker of the old type, i.e. with a hex instead of the slot. Apparently they DO exist
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:57 PM   #7335
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The hex is the new design and the slot is the old.
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