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Old 05-07-2009, 04:53 PM   #46
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I just received my 2nd "Stroker" wheel for UberHack 3.0 (aka "WarBird").
Two questions, if I may...

What is the size spec on that tire? 145/80-15 or ???

And what does Stroker get for a full conversion with wheel/tire/adapter these days?
Is there a menu of prices depending on options?

Thanks for the great photos!
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Old 05-07-2009, 05:13 PM   #47
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Two questions, if I may...

What is the size spec on that tire? 145/80-15 or ???

And what does Stroker get for a full conversion with wheel/tire/adapter these days?
Is there a menu of prices depending on options?

Thanks for the great photos!
Hi BMWzenrider -

The tire is a 165 SR 15 M&S rated tubeless Semperit. 2-ply sidewall, 6=ply tread, with a max load rating of 1,200 lbs. I *think* this tire is no longer in production.

It's my understanding that a 165R15 tire is not all that common, but I have been able to find a number of sources, and there is a belief that the introduction of the Mercedes/Swatch Smart for 2 car (which use 15" tires in this range) into the North American market may improve availability.

As for pricing, yes, there are some options, and it would be best to PM Stroker directly.

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Old 05-09-2009, 07:54 AM   #48
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A point of interest: While ordering a 165R15 Nanking Mud and Snow tire from the Nebraska Farmers Coop today I asked why it is that they carry a somewhat uncommon car tire that usually goes on VW beetles and old Saabs. I was told that these radial car tires hold up much better than the 6.00x15 agriculture tires commonly used on harvesting equiptment. The farmers have found that because of the steel belted radial construction of these auto tires they are much more puncture resistant and last longer than the tire they have been using previously. These farm supply stores may prove to be a good source for these type of tire if your local auto tire dealer is reluctant to help you with this size tire.
I had a nice surprise yesterday while riding Potash/Shaffer (Moab~Utah) trail uphill. And easy road and yet at time challenging. (have not gone through the photos yet). For a change I dropped all tires to 28 (when hot) and the M&S to 25. Totally different tire suddenly (of course you are going to say!!!) and now better than the regular VW original tire... The M&S is a stiff tire and actually did not even inflate it for the black top miles I had left to ride to get back to camp. It really changes my opinion on this tire... Pretty steep uphil, loose ground and not a single time did it spin... Of course... you have to LOVE the tall first gear od the GS 1100R!!! Still the best GS ever made... (yes! I am prejudiced on that one!!!).
Anyhow... Going to ride it again late at night, full moon,better lighting...
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Old 05-09-2009, 09:00 AM   #49
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the introduction of the Mercedes/Swatch Smart for 2 car (which use 15" tires in this range) into the North American market may improve availability.
No, it doesn't.


Stock steel rim for MCC Smart:

3 1/2J x 15" rim, for tire size 135/70R15
4 J x 15" rim for tire size 145/65R15
5 1/2 x 15" rim for tire size 175/55 R15

the rim only weighs 6 kg and rim and tire together 15 kg. (Hardly any differences in weight in the different sizes)


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Old 05-09-2009, 09:14 AM   #50
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Would this be the wrong thread to address the "shock" issue?
TwiTwin, David and I have gone around and around with this, we did find the formula... It amazed me while at a Hack Rally that even the old timers only responded with dropped jaws when asked the question about suspension..
I have changed my Ohlin springs to a 500lb rider, and this has made a world of difference...
If there is a thread for that discussion let me know. I am sure TwinTwin will be happy to divuldge the formula for perfect handling!
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Old 05-09-2009, 03:33 PM   #51
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No, it doesn't.


Stock steel rim for MCC Smart:

3 1/2J x 15" rim, for tire size 135/70R15
4 J x 15" rim for tire size 145/65R15
5 1/2 x 15" rim for tire size 175/55 R15

the rim only weighs 6 kg and rim and tire together 15 kg. (Hardly any differences in weight in the different sizes)


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i think mikepa is right in the statement that availability for sidecar tires is improved in the states.
i've driven a 2cv michelin tire on the rear of my my Triumph in the past, the original with 2 ply sidewalls. it was horrible, it floated all around the corners. nowdays i'm using the low Smart front tires, they're great, solid cornering. i don't want to use anything else than the 135/65/15 continentals. to my knowledge the only alternative for the old high 2cv tires is the current Mabor brand.
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Old 05-09-2009, 03:41 PM   #52
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As constructed by LeighSA, about 3 years ago. Biggest drama in Oz is getting the appropriate tyres (hey spellchecker, that is tyres, not tires)

Made a mistake with the current one, it's just a passenger car tyre so I don't expect the mileage. But everything else said earlier in the thread holds true. I was quite surprised that the rolling radius is so similar to the standard 17" rear and the 15" tyre doesn't actually change as much during wear due to less tread depth.
I recall wearing out one bike tyre in 1200km. Far too expensive.




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Old 05-09-2009, 05:18 PM   #53
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[quote=SCray]..........getting the appropriate tyres (hey spellchecker, that is tyres, not tires) [quote]


......just remember, Ozzers & Brits, the tongue is placed firmly in the cheek of this
Yorkie/Canadian for this post only....

......Now: 300,000,000 people spell it "tire"....which is an order of magnitude
above those of us who cling to "tyre".
Also the word originates as a device to "tie"
the assy. together ( no Y in ties and struts ).

.........Just a bit of fun, Youse Guys.

( hey, Scray...configure spellchecker to UK English, and all will be well in the land of chunder )

...Seriously, I used to get very hot under the collar about spelling, but have realised that what
was brought over on Mayflower would have been correct, and has just been preserved better .

Apologies for the hijack...now back to normal service.
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Old 05-09-2009, 10:38 PM   #54
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[quote=Get Back][quote=SCray]..........getting the appropriate tyres (hey spellchecker, that is tyres, not tires)
Quote:


......just remember, Ozzers & Brits, the tongue is placed firmly in the cheek of this
Yorkie/Canadian for this post only....

......Now: 300,000,000 people spell it "tire"....which is an order of magnitude
above those of us who cling to "tyre".
Also the word originates as a device to "tie"
the assy. together ( no Y in ties and struts ).

.........Just a bit of fun, Youse Guys.

( hey, Scray...configure spellchecker to UK English, and all will be well in the land of chunder )

...Seriously, I used to get very hot under the collar about spelling, but have realised that what
was brought over on Mayflower would have been correct, and has just been preserved better .

Apologies for the hijack...now back to normal service.
So why did you lot drive on the wrong side of the road?
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Old 05-10-2009, 01:22 AM   #55
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i think mikepa is right in the statement that availability for sidecar tires is improved in the states.
i've driven a 2cv michelin tire on the rear of my my Triumph in the past, the original with 2 ply sidewalls. it was horrible, it floated all around the corners. nowdays i'm using the low Smart front tires, they're great, solid cornering. i don't want to use anything else than the 135/65/15 continentals. to my knowledge the only alternative for the old high 2cv tires is the current Mabor brand.
You missed the point. Explanation: A 165/80-15 tire (or 165-15 as you please) will not be more available, because of the introduction of the MCC Smart, since this size is not a stock size. It will still be difficult to get. (it’s an old Beetle size)

Closest size in 15 inch would be the 175/55-15 in the brand and type you ride, which is really low-profile.

Please walk to your outfit and read the tire size. If it actually says what you’re saying, (135/65-15) I’ll bring you a case of beer in your favorite brand. (Typing error?)

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...20&postcount=7

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Old 05-10-2009, 05:19 AM   #56
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These tires, be they 135, 145, 155, or 165r15 are really not that hard to find. The Nexen, Kumo, and Nankangs are being cranked out in the Orient. B.F. Goodrich and others are supplying 165r15's for the street rod market. Vredenstien, Michelin are still making them for old VW's and Saab's. Once you find a vendor/tire style you can live with buy 3 for the price of 1 motorcycle tire and you'll be all set for quite a while. Ara makes a good point about suspension upgrades. Shocks make a HUGE difference. I wouldn't ride a rig with stock shocks. And a swaybar! The way my rig is set up I can slide it around on pavement like one of those hi-performance rigs, and with almost a foot of ground clearance.The car tires are a big improvement but without proper shocks and a swaybar I doubt that my rig would handle the way it does. Stroker
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Old 05-10-2009, 01:49 PM   #57
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These tires, be they 135, 145, 155, or 165r15 are really not that hard to find. The Nexen, Kumo, and Nankangs are being cranked out in the Orient. B.F. Goodrich and others are supplying 165r15's for the street rod market. Vredenstien, Michelin are still making them for old VW's and Saab's. Once you find a vendor/tire style you can live with buy 3 for the price of 1 motorcycle tire and you'll be all set for quite a while. Ara makes a good point about suspension upgrades. Shocks make a HUGE difference. I wouldn't ride a rig with stock shocks. And a swaybar! The way my rig is set up I can slide it around on pavement like one of those hi-performance rigs, and with almost a foot of ground clearance.The car tires are a big improvement but without proper shocks and a swaybar I doubt that my rig would handle the way it does. Stroker
It IS good idea if you are purchasing the 165 tires to bUY two of them. They are usually easily found at any tire dealer who is willing to order them in....but... I think the factories only do a run on them ever so often. We have been using them for a little over 5 years and in that time have seen one temporary shortage of them which was practically nationwide. So, buy two and cut out the worry.
The 155 tires can be had also but are usually more expensive. The 135 tires are quite small in diameter and are avaiLable at Coker Tire and other outlets. Out of all of these the 165 is the last expensive and the most commonly avaiable size.
Oh, you can also try ordering tIres through wal mart . They will ship them to your nearest store. Not a bad deal in some cases.
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Old 05-10-2009, 04:25 PM   #58
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Is it wrong to drive right?

...once again: humble apologies for jacking.

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So why did you lot drive on the wrong side of the road?[/quote]

....ah, well;..it was all a terrible mix-up at Plymouth in 1670:

What with all the confusion which ensued even
getting away in the Mayflower, the plans for the
New World sidecars were all xeroxed backwards
in error.
Arriving in Massachusetts, the plans were given
to "Indian", who, having no sidecar experience,
just followed the plans without question.

When the time came to link up Plymouth Colony
with Jamestown, Virginia by road, it just seemed right to go left.

Oz was okay, because, 1787, being much later in sidecar
development, the P.O.H.M.s were able to ship standard sidecar kits
(armed) to keep the penal colony patrolled.

Hope this helps.
(and you thought Ural history was confusing!)
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You missed the point. Explanation: A 165/80-15 tire (or 165-15 as you please) will not be more available, because of the introduction of the MCC Smart, since this size is not a stock size. It will still be difficult to get. (it’s an old Beetle size)

Closest size in 15 inch would be the 175/55-15 in the brand and type you ride, which is really low-profile.

Please walk to your outfit and read the tire size. If it actually says what you’re saying, (135/65-15) I’ll bring you a case of beer in your favorite brand. (Typing error?)

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...20&postcount=7

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Done: 145/65R15 near enough? half case of beer? Leffe please
I don't think i missed the point, the grown availability of proper sidecar tires. i don't think mikepa especialy mentioned the availability of 165/80-15 would improve.
i would't search for old beetle or 2cv tires. there are several sizes of smart tires available: standard 135/70R15, 145/65R15, 175/??R15 and several special sizes for Brabus rims. These will give you a much better ride than these high flexibel tires.
if you realy want high, wide tires: look at VW transporter sizes.

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These tires, be they 135, 145, 155, or 165r15 are really not that hard to find. The Nexen, Kumo, and Nankangs are being cranked out in the Orient. B.F. Goodrich and others are supplying 165r15's for the street rod market. Vredenstien, Michelin are still making them for old VW's and Saab's.

Stroker
For those with "Stoker" wheels, I did a quick search and found these M+S rated BF Goodrich 155/80R-15 Radial T/A's on the Summit Racing website. They're "S" rated (112MPH), have a load rating of 1.069 lbs, 24.7" diameter, and 6.10" section or shoulder width, and "A" traction rating. They come with a 6-year warranty against materials and workmanship defects (no road hazard). Unfortunately, they come with RWL (Raised White Lettering), but I now know about black-out paint .

Best of all, they're only $69.95 (as of 11 May 09) and are in stock. I'm going to order one and see how it fits/works. Actually, given Claude's sage advice, I guess I should order two!

Here's the URL:

BFGoodrich 155/80R-15 from Summit

EDIT/UPDATE: So, I did listen to Claude, and ordered two tires. Summit did have them in stock. Shipping and handling was only $27.00 additional, not bad these days. I'm liking this! I just finished a ride from Seattle to SanFran. Though I left with new rubber (Tourances), after doing 299, 3, and 36 on the way down, my tire was toast. Marin BMW was good enough to get me in for a tire change on short notice, which was good, but the charge for a new Tourance and installation was a whopping $326.00 thank you very much!

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