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Old 02-22-2009, 07:32 PM   #436
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i just got word from ben; he got hurt real bad that he'll be out for about 3 months due to cracked shoulder socket...

he still has to see an doctor if surgery is needed but i hope all he needs is mother time, a comfy sofa, tv remote and pizza delivery.

we have too many injuries, i tore a shoulder muscle, but the other guys are not as fortunate...miketoon, eggroll, dannyg, ccer and ben are all casualties from our rides. ride leaders and participants...put a lull, let's all take it easy for the next month or so.
First off....get well soon Big Ben you and Dale are badass for being able to ride out all busted up like that....

On another note...and please understand that this is not directed at anyone in particular but.....

I was really taken back that Ben was left to make his way home with only one other rider....We rely on each other heavily when we ride together for just these types of reasons...

Joel went out with 3 other riders with just a broken bike....As it should be....

Two riders took CCer out after Cribaby got us pointed in the right direction....

But Ben who was seriously jacked up was left to ride back 50 miles with just one other...???...And if he had gotten worse or gone down again due to the fact that he was riding in the desert one handed...then what.....????...thanks Rounstock for helping out....all day......

End of rant....

Now when is the next Desert ride.....
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:36 PM   #437
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we have too many injuries, i tore a shoulder muscle, but the other guys are not as fortunate...miketoon, eggroll, dannyg, ccer and ben are all casualties from our rides. ride leaders and participants...put a lull, let's all take it easy for the next month or so.
You just can't fight physics and gravity.
Accidents will happen, but sometimes the aftermath is minimized with less speed.
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:45 PM   #438
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To many crashs...
Most are due to riding to fast or not the right bike for the ride.
We have to ask our selves are We capable of the ride at is being planned.
If not than than don't go.
The fast guy's are not responsible for the slower rider's crashing trying to
keep up and it throws the fast guy's rhythm out the door and they have little fun.
I know I'm and ASS but this needs to be said
Let the flame's begin
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:53 PM   #439
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let's move the ranting to

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9135087&postcount=5298

this will help us minimize accidents and have better organization in our future rides

thanks folks.

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Old 02-22-2009, 08:10 PM   #440
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First off....get well soon Big Ben you and Dale are badass for being able to ride out all busted up like that....

On another note...and please understand that this is not directed at anyone in particular but.....

I was really taken back that Ben was left to make his way home with only one other rider....We rely on each other heavily when we ride together for just these types of reasons...

Joel went out with 3 other riders with just a broken bike....As it should be....

Two riders took CCer out after Cribaby got us pointed in the right direction....

But Ben who was seriously jacked up was left to ride back 50 miles with just one other...???...And if he had gotten worse or gone down again due to the fact that he was riding in the desert one handed...then what.....????...thanks Rounstock for helping out....all day......

End of rant....

Now when is the next Desert ride.....

+1 How'd this happen.. Joel doesn't have to babysit us all the time does he????
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:15 PM   #441
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sorry to have missed the ride but not the carnage,wonder what happened,seems the same group riding at the same pace can someone put their finger on the one thing,everyone heal up ,personally know of a great shoulder and collarbone specialist pm for the info.
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:30 PM   #442
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Rob, thanks for the ride. I made it home early this afternoon. I had a blast.

Dale and Ben I hope your recovery goes fast and smooth.

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Old 02-22-2009, 08:55 PM   #443
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I was really taken back that Ben was left to make his way home with only one other rider....
I hear your frustration, but possibly this was the best that everyone could do given the circumstances. I think it's fair to say we look out for each other for the most part.

I'm surprised to hear of the wrecks. I know i've ridden w/ Ben and i think i have w/ Dale. They seem to be good riders. I guess when your number's up not much you can do. The risk comes w/ the sport. Take it from me, i know how the fun and exuberance of riding can take you out of your comfort zone- look at the scuffs on my bike!

Hope to see both Dale and Ben on the trail soon.

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Old 02-22-2009, 09:19 PM   #444
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Already, it's only Sunday

Monday morning quarterbacking at it's finest . It was only a matter of time.

I agree with many of the things said here. But keep in mind, everyone must ride to their own skill level. This is why we always wait at major road/trail changes or about every 20 minutes or so. This allows everyone to feel comfortable riding their own ride and knowing that everyone will always be just a short ride ahead.

Also, because of the large group that went I made sure to never leave cell phone range ( one of the reasons I did not want to go to Husky). I was texting while we were waiting to see what was up with Joel's bike, and again at Cuddeback. If need be, we could've had an ambulance come in at any point and get someone out. I made sure the trail was never any further than 1/2 mile from a dirt access road. Although to someone whose never been out there, it would appear that we were 100 miles from anywhere.

Same for hauling out a bike, if anyone has AAA for motorcycles, they will come and get you anywhere a truck can travel and haul your bike up to 200 miles with Premier. If a bike became unrollable, we could've done this, it never came to that.

Each time we ride, we learn more about how to handle a large group ride. But once again, everyone must bear 100% responsibility for their own actions, and then feel thankful and fortunate that we ride with such a greatly supportive group of people. If we start sniping at the trail leaders and the faster riders for every incident that they had nothing to do with, then no one will volunteer to lead a ride.

I'm sorry that people got injured and that bikes broke down, but in the end, if you read back on the whole thread for this ride, it was made clear a number of times that some people should at certain locations take the "go arounds". On at least two occasions yesterday I pointed out places where this could occur. No one took my advice.

Finally, getting injured is just the luck of the draw and happens to everyone. Each time you start your bike take a second to think that today could be your day. This is what makes our sport so exhilarating and keeps us coming back each time whether you want to admit it or not. We are all adrnaline junkies. I have ridden out of locations far more remote than anywhere we were yesterday with broken arms, legs, hands, feet, collar bones etc. Never once did I try to point any fingers at anyone, nor did I ever expect anyone to help me as I made my decision, no one else did. But as I said earlier, I am thankful that there was someone there if I needed the help. We as a group provide that, and I don't feel as though anyone was ever in a gravely dangerous position yesterday of losing their life or suffering life altering injuries.

I am not in any way trying to devalue the injuries sustained yesterday, as I know what it's like to have these injuries, having busted my collar bone three times. All I am saying is that with a group this large and varied on skill levels and bike choices, these things are bound to happen and as long as we don't snipe at each other we will all continue to ride and have fun together, and there will always be someone to lend a hand if need be. It might not always be to the level that everyone thinks is appropriate, but I'll bet anyone that neither Joel, nor Dale, nor Ben are complaining about the help that they received from everyone who lended a hand.

And to those people, I thank you.

Edit: Only when we were sure that we were at a graded dirt road, more like a dirt freeway all the way to the highway, did we let Ben depart with a very skilled rider and supportive person, Steve (Roundstock). Also, we were only 3-4 miles from the 395 when thye departed. Finally, as far as I understand it, Ben got a ride back to his truck by someone in another truck and he did not ride the full way back. I could be mistaken though. Thanks Steve!
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:40 PM   #445
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well looks like i need to proofread before i send my note off,i left the part out that when getting to within 300 yards of the hiway some guys had their bikes loaded and noticed that 1 guy only had 1 bike in his truck ,so i did the math and went and asked him if he would help us out and transport ben as far as possible.he said ok and we got him loaded. i said i would meet him at the school but would probably be late due to speed and a gas stop.ben sorry i missed you at the school, but mike (nowhat)confirmed that you got there ok,............okie dokie...............
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:47 PM   #446
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This looks to be rounding out to be a good ride. However, let me put a few things out there. This ride is probably not for you if:
  1. Your bike is not capable of going at least 100 miles on a tank of gas
  2. You are not capable of riding 300 miles of dirt in one day.
  3. You're not willing to get up before dark to make the meet at Lytle Creek and leave at sun up.
  4. You plan on being home in time for dinner
  5. Your sand skills are lacking
  6. Your bike won't go at least 70mph for more than a sprint
  7. Your bike is not mechanically fit
  8. You don't like beer (except for Joel)
  9. You refuse to do any sweeping duties
  10. You don't realize that there will be some breakdowns and you're not willing to wait for the rest or lend aid.
  11. You have hard panniers on your bike.
  12. You're not prepared to do whatever it takes to make sure that every gets home in relatively good condition.
Other than that, the regular rules of group riding will apply . If you don't know what those are, you probably should wait for the RR.
Here are a few good rules to think about...

#2 = fast long ass day of riding..most likey not for intermediates or big bikes.

If we had followed the leaders plan things could have been different.
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:56 PM   #447
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NMBMN: Well said. Thx.

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Old 02-22-2009, 10:53 PM   #448
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I guess I'm one of the rule breakers. I brought a big bike. I think Rob provided enough info for all considering the ride regarding what to expect.
I knew the route planned and knew I could bail out and join the group later when needed via some road or highway.
Even though the day didn't go as planned, I could see the thought put into the ride.
Thanks Rob.
BTW, Joel has your tubes, tools, etc.
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Old 02-23-2009, 01:28 AM   #449
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Thanks Rob for organizing this event! And thanks to Charlie for suggesting and being a gracious host to us at Camp B! The camping and trails in that area were awesome. Also thanks to Klammer, who led us around the Randsburg area, after meeting him and the group from Dove Springs at the Whitehouse Saloon. We were looking forward to seeing you guys roll in to Randsburg, but after 1:15, we figured that there must be a story. When i got back to Camp B, i was sorry to hear about all the mishaps-- hope you guys heal quickly.
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Old 02-23-2009, 06:56 AM   #450
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I guess I'm one of the rule breakers. I brought a big bike. I think Rob provided enough info for all considering the ride regarding what to expect.
I knew the route planned and knew I could bail out and join the group later when needed via some road or highway.
Even though the day didn't go as planned, I could see the thought put into the ride.
Thanks Rob.
BTW, Joel has your tubes, tools, etc.
+1

I have the tube used for the figure 8. thanks for the loan, it helped a lot. let me know who you b and i'll get it to you. and many thanks one more time to everyone for your support, both during and after.
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