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Old 01-05-2009, 08:20 PM   #61
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Hey, Duck...
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I have ridden nogat but not for many years. I have attened rallies and signed petitions that say helmut laws should not be made law. I still believe that even though I nearly never leave the driveway whithout a helmut on.


If I wrote the laws....

People could choose to wear a lid or not. If you chose not to your insurance is 5X more (or whatever the bean counters compute) I think that would be fair. Lidless folks get a choice that they have to pay for.
If you check the box marked yes I allways wear a lid and then crash whithout one you get screwed on the bills...Or you can't sue the other guy or?????

Just my opinion. Many holes in it, but, it holds more water than many others do
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Old 01-06-2009, 05:28 AM   #62
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People could choose to wear a lid or not. If you chose not to your insurance is 5X more (or whatever the bean counters compute) I think that would be fair. Lidless folks get a choice that they have to pay for.
Just curious - why would you want them to pay 5x more in insurance? I think some data would be in order: Do lidless riders have more accidents? Do lidless riders have more fatalities? I don't know what the data would reveal, but I bet it's not as clear cut as we imagine.
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Old 01-06-2009, 06:14 AM   #63
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The answer is yes on more fatalities without helmets. But read and decide for yourself:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...m_uid=18556613

Even the most cursory review of those journal abstracts reveals a pretty consistent pattern.
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Old 01-06-2009, 07:20 AM   #64
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i've worked a bunch of mc wrecks and have wrecked as well. i left the e.r. without a scratch to show for my stupidity(i was riding beyond my skill level). smacked my head, shoulder, brused ribs, very swollen ankle, sore hip. i was wearing full on gear. still, i was out of work for a week. there would have been a lot of road rash had i been not wearing gear. i will not ride without it.

the skin damage to the non gear wearing riders is severe. palms of the hands ground off. exposed bone. big time facial trauma with the puddin' bowl helmets. all that comes with giant medical bills. wearing proper gear can reduce the severity of injury immensely to the point of hobbling away from a get off rather than getting loaded into a bambulance.

i think its safe to say all of the people, including me, did not plan on wrecking the day they went down.

stay vigilant and wear your gear
the people who love you and care about you appreciate it as well.

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Old 01-06-2009, 07:53 AM   #65
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Wearing the gear is like packing your lunch instead of eating in the cafeteria. It is a hassle at first, but it becomes a habit. Soon you wouldn't have it any other way. Does this diminish the joy of the ride? For myself it enhances it. When I'm on my bike I vanquish everything from my mind except what relates to riding the bike. It's a form of meditation, if you will.
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:05 AM   #66
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my apologies for not answering the op's question in my previous post.

"no"

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Old 01-06-2009, 08:12 AM   #67
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I guess I have never met anyone like that.

I have met tons that won't ride without gear, I have met quite a few that wouldn't move their bike around the driveway without a helmet on...but I haven't ever met anyone who thought the gear 'allowed' them to ride riskier.

In my estimation, these folks you are speaking of ride 'riskier' no matter what and assuage that little voice in their head by telling others that's what they have the gear for.

"I can ride 'riskier' because I wear gear" is simply a nice little clue that the person that said it is an idiot and should be avoided at all costs. If you find yourself surrounded by such folks, or even just have a smattering of such people around you....I would reevaluate my circle of riding buddies.
How about racers ? They ride a little riskier right ? Do you think they'd ride like that with jeans and hiking boots on ? People might be reevaluating you right now.
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Old 01-06-2009, 08:36 AM   #68
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Hey, Duck...
Stepping up to the plate

I have ridden nogat but not for many years. I have attened rallies and signed petitions that say helmut laws should not be made law. I still believe that even though I nearly never leave the driveway whithout a helmut on.
I'm glad you wear your lid...


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the skin damage to the non gear wearing riders is severe. palms of the hands ground off. exposed bone. big time facial trauma with the puddin' bowl helmets.
Result from deer/bike collision at 60mph, happened in a blink of an eye:

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Old 01-06-2009, 08:45 AM   #69
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Why 5X the insurance??????

Just throwing a # out there with no basis in research or stats. OK, some basis as gear will reduce the cost of an accident a large amount in MOST cases.

I just think that the freedom to do what you want should come with the cost associated with that freedom.

Smokers tend to pay more for health care etc.

19 year lod males pay way more for insurance than I do....
Why, cuz they tend to crash into stuff on a much more regular basis.
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:51 AM   #70
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One of those helmet studies I posted said the helmet law in LA is based on whether or not you have at least $10k worth of insurance. So apparently you aren't the only one that is thinking in those terms.
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:43 AM   #71
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I have this poster in my classroom.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/msb/foolsgear.htm
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:19 PM   #72
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Wearing the gear is like packing your lunch instead of eating in the cafeteria. It is a hassle at first, but it becomes a habit. Soon you wouldn't have it any other way. Does this diminish the joy of the ride? For myself it enhances it. When I'm on my bike I vanquish everything from my mind except what relates to riding the bike. It's a form of meditation, if you will.

LISTEN TO THIS GUY.

He gets it. Welcome to the Asylum Noob. Keep posting. I like what you have to say.
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:38 PM   #73
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LISTEN TO THIS GUY.

He gets it. Welcome to the Asylum Noob. Keep posting. I like what you have to say.
Said it as well as I've ever heard it.
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Old 01-06-2009, 06:42 PM   #74
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i know of no chicks who dig scars.

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Old 01-06-2009, 07:37 PM   #75
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i know of no chicks who dig scars.
You are hanging out with the wrong chicks.

Maybe it's the type of scars. I have some cool ones, but they aren't due to injury.
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