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Old 11-26-2012, 10:02 PM   #3856
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ever wonder where they parked Tacit Blue?



remarkably few years separate these two designs













several former Air Force 1 planes are in the same on-base space.

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Old 11-26-2012, 10:21 PM   #3857
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Holy smokes, the hardware in there! Is that a P-59?
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:48 AM   #3858
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what is the massive propped jet?

found it....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_XF-84H

cool as hell read

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Old 11-27-2012, 08:51 AM   #3859
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Holy smokes, the hardware in there! Is that a P-59?


http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/fac...eet.asp?id=579
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Old 11-27-2012, 08:59 AM   #3860
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It's on my list of places to go. I will probably get kicked out for crossing over the barrier and fondling/drooling on the exhibits.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:00 AM   #3861
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That XB-70 was another plane, way ahead of it's time.
Shame it never made it to full production.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:27 AM   #3862
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That XB-70 was another plane, way ahead of it's time.
Shame it never made it to full production.
The mission disappeared. ICBMs took it over.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:08 PM   #3863
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The mission disappeared. ICBMs took it over.
Not really. The budget is what disappeared. The B-52s soldiered on as the manned part of the nuke triad.

Tis ok though, It's replacement, the B-1 was a much better, more flexible design than a B-70 could have been.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:24 PM   #3864
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Not really. The budget is what disappeared. The B-52s soldiered on as the manned part of the nuke triad.

Tis ok though, It's replacement, the B-1 was a much better, more flexible design than a B-70 could have been.
The budget disappeared because the mission went away. High altitude bombing went away when ground to air missiles became able to take the bombers out and ICBMs with MIRVed warheads came along. The B-52s were able to switch to low level operation, and the B-1 was designed for it. The B-70 was something SAC was pushing just to stay alive. It wound up being an aeronautical research vehicle.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:30 PM   #3865
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That's very hind-sighty. It wasn't the reason/justification for either the project or it's cancellation at the time.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:50 PM   #3866
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That's very hind-sighty. It wasn't the reason/justification for either the project or it's cancellation at the time.

If I recall, it was the increasing effectiveness of surface to air missiles which mandated a new strategy of low-altitude ingress to targets. The XB-70 just wouldn't have been fast and high enough.
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Old 11-27-2012, 05:58 PM   #3867
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If I recall, it was the increasing effectiveness of surface to air missiles which mandated a new strategy of low-altitude ingress to targets. The XB-70 just wouldn't have been fast and high enough.
Which is essentially what I said. Technology overtook it. I think it was Curtis LeMay's last gasp.
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:05 PM   #3868
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Which is essentially what I said. Technology overtook it. I think it was Curtis LeMay's last gasp.
The ghost of Curtis LeMay lived on during Viet Nam when the brass insisted on sending fighter bombers in formation over the same ingress and egress to the target over repeated missions without altering tactics to respond to the enemy. Ever read Thud Ridge?


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Old 11-27-2012, 07:26 PM   #3869
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Flying high and fast was also obsoleted (is that a word?) with the advent of long range stand off weapons (think cruise missiles) The B52 became the choice simply as a delivery vehicle capable of carrying a much wider variety of weapons to within range of the targets. Also while I'm on a roll, the B1 was (is) very limited in that it could not carry external weapons and also go supersonic. The B1 was hardly used in strategic mission planning due to it's limited numbers and also it's limited versatility. So... the B52 remains the main stay in the air breathing portion of the triad. The B2 is the new B52 in that it is able to penetrate deeper without relying on speed, although it cannot carry external weapons without greatly increasing it's radar cross section.
It's all just a big bunch of trade offs, In a nut shell, in a strategic conflict the B52 is the one, in a theater conflict, the B2 is the one.
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Old 11-27-2012, 07:52 PM   #3870
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must have been quite amazing in flight. as you can see it dwarfs everything else in the hangar







proving that the fastest way from point A to point B isn't always in the sleekest aircraft, we have the X-3





FDR flew to Yalta and back aboard this Douglas VC-54C about six weeks before he died.
There's a small elevator under the empennage which can be seen here, below the aft end of the #4 engine nacelle.



I forget how long it took to cover the distance, but I was struck by how tedious the trip probably was for him. (looking terminally board here)



back at the USAF Museum off base (sorry for the poor pic quality) there are many fine acft I probably won't see elsewhere.

Curtiss P-6E Hawk



Martin B-10



Boeing P-26A Peashooter



look... a T-34.

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