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Old 04-05-2011, 04:05 AM   #421
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But again you are correct, the Oregon does not charge the batteries when on External Power since they are common AA type.
Not sure what you mean by "common AA type", but even if you had NiCd, NiMh, NiZn or any other rechargeable, it's still not going to charge from the power connector no matter which cable you have.

I think someone should make a modified rear cover with proper waterproofed battery connections in it - that would sell well, and make the Oregon much more reliable.
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Old 04-05-2011, 04:47 AM   #422
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Here's the same unit plugged into the TAPP Lite with a standard USB cable.



It is charging but looking for data and not navigating. The Nuvi works the same way.
This is a setting you can change in the Oregon/Dakota/Colorado/62/78.

It's found under Setup/System/Interface; if you set the unit to "Garmin Spanner", it will ask you if you want to go into data connection mode if you use a non-Garmin USB power connector. If you don't let it go into Data mode, it will work as a navigator.

And it sounds like your cable emulates the Garmin cable in that respect.

Here's the full explanation of that from the Oregon Wiki:
http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/P...er%20adapters?
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Old 04-12-2011, 11:09 PM   #423
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This is a setting you can change in the Oregon/Dakota/Colorado/62/78.

It's found under Setup/System/Interface; if you set the unit to "Garmin Spanner", it will ask you if you want to go into data connection mode if you use a non-Garmin USB power connector. If you don't let it go into Data mode, it will work as a navigator.

And it sounds like your cable emulates the Garmin cable in that respect.

Here's the full explanation of that from the Oregon Wiki:
http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/P...er%20adapters?
Thanks for the info & Oregon Wiki link. Lots of useful information there.

Thought it was time to get brave and take our new Garmin Oregon equipped with the modified cable for a swim.
We put a TAPP Lite USB power port and the Oregon in our little dunk tank which is 8" deep. That's not much but If you get your GPS deeper than that then the whole bike is really deep since the GPS is usually mounted on the bars or at least up where the rider can see them. At that point you have more problems than a wet GPS and USB power port.

As described earlier, the ugly seal on the Oregon end of the cable is OK for splash but not waterproof so we put a bit of dielectric grease on the seal surface but not on the USB connector. Same for the TAPP Lite; it's weatherproof but not water proof so we put a film of dielectric grease around the cable seal skirt but not on the connector part.
In truth the dielectric grease would probably be all that was needed if it was put into the connectors but the cable splash sheild keeps the grease in place and also keeps it from getting crudded up with dirt.
Here's a couple of pics.





It was still going strong after almost seven hours so we pulled it out and checked for water. It was dry. The TAPP Lite was dry as well but this was as expected since we have dunked them lots of times in water up to 3 feet deep.



It was a fair bit of work to get to this point so as I said before, given my druthers I'd take a Garmin 60CSx which does all this with off-the-shelf cables. But if you like the Oregon with its compact size and touch screen you can at least get somewhat equivalent water resistance.
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Old 04-13-2011, 03:31 PM   #424
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Thought it was time to get brave and take our new Garmin Oregon equipped with the modified cable for a swim.


Nice! I have been looking hard at the Oregon after having four 60 CSx units. The first one died from vibration. Second one had its antenna torn off by my brake cables (I think that's what did it). The third was a refurb replacement that didn't work, so now I'm on number four.

The Oregon seems like a nice solution being so compact. Accessibility to certain things (typing mainly) would be much improved with a touch screen too. And I like the increase in tracks that can be loaded/saved. I have been hesitant because of the lack of a good external power connection, but yours is a cool solution!

Now, according to Gary H, one of Garmin's Outdoor/Fitness Product Support Specialists, "...everything has been upgraded to USB ports that function as a water-proof power source as well as data communication." WTF? I wrote back to confirm, but maybe you could just plug in a standard USB cable and dunk away!
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:17 PM   #425
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Now, according to Gary H, one of Garmin's Outdoor/Fitness Product Support Specialists, "...everything has been upgraded to USB ports that function as a water-proof power source as well as data communication." WTF? I wrote back to confirm, but maybe you could just plug in a standard USB cable and dunk away!
Let me know what you find out. That would be the best of both worlds not having to make that crappy USB cable connection and still have all of the Oregon's functionality. It might even get me to change my mind about the 60CSx
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Old 04-14-2011, 07:12 AM   #426
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Now, according to Gary H, one of Garmin's Outdoor/Fitness Product Support Specialists, "...everything has been upgraded to USB ports that function as a water-proof power source as well as data communication." WTF? I wrote back to confirm, but maybe you could just plug in a standard USB cable and dunk away!


How exactly is a USB port waterproof? I'd like to hear Gary H explain that one!

Not that the USB port has stopped me from using my Oregon on my bike for nearly 40,000 miles.

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Old 04-14-2011, 07:49 AM   #427
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How exactly is a USB port waterproof? I'd like to hear Gary H explain that one!

Not that the USB port has stopped me from using my Oregon on my bike for nearly 40,000 miles.

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Mark - I would like to hear Gary H explain it as well.
Our TAPP Lite is resistant to heavy water washdown by using a seal on the USB cable that mates with the USB power port but it's still not waterproof. We have to add a dab of dielectric grease to get to waterproof. This little exercise above followed that approach on the Oregon end.
I can't imagine how a high volume product can get to this point without a fairly sophisticated cable/socket seal set. I hope it's true; it would make an idea configuration for ADV bikes.
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Old 04-14-2011, 09:47 AM   #428
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No further explanation, but here's the e-mail I just received in its entirety (I asked about vibration testing too):
Our USB ports especially on the Oregon series devices are water-proof.
The only purpose of the rubber USB cover that is included, is to prevent
build up of debris when there isn't anything plugged into the USB port.
The Oregon has been series of vibration test and has successfully passed
each test. At the link below you will find a series of mounting options
that have been developed by Ram-Mount for mounting the Oregon.

Ram-Mounts:
http://www.ram-mount.com/NewProducts...1/Default.aspx


With Best Regards,

Gary H
Product Support Specialist
Outdoor/Fitness Team
Garmin International

Edit to add: I still think it is a good idea to have the USB plug molded into a larger rubber plug in that recess, if only to give the USB plug a little more substantial mechanical connection.

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Old 04-14-2011, 11:05 AM   #429
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No further explanation, but here's the e-mail I just received in its entirety (I asked about vibration testing too):
Our USB ports especially on the Oregon series devices are water-proof.
The only purpose of the rubber USB cover that is included, is to prevent
build up of debris when there isn't anything plugged into the USB port.
The Oregon has been series of vibration test and has successfully passed
each test. At the link below you will find a series of mounting options
that have been developed by Ram-Mount for mounting the Oregon.

Ram-Mounts:
http://www.ram-mount.com/NewProducts...1/Default.aspx


With Best Regards,

Gary H
Product Support Specialist
Outdoor/Fitness Team
Garmin International

Edit to add: I still think it is a good idea to have the USB plug molded into a larger rubber plug in that recess, if only to give the USB plug a little more substantial mechanical connection.
I think Garmin's idea of waterproof in this case is that it will not allow water to enter the gps, but it doesn't mean that the electrical connection the cable makes to the gps is waterproof.

Fresh in my mind is the Oregon I had in Newfoundland which died while powered up at a standstill in a rain shower. I wasn't even moving at the time, but the 550, and the Nuvi 780 I tried plugging into the same cable the next day both died and had to go back to Garmin for exchange.

Fortunately they were both still under warranty.
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Old 04-14-2011, 11:41 AM   #430
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Ah ha! so the Oregon has internal sealing on the USB connector. This is really good news. I would still put a bit of dielectric grease directly in the connector to prevent contaminated water or salt water from corroding the contacts. We usually don't recommend putting dielectric grease on low current connectors but it this case it would be worthwhile.
I would also still use that little tie wrap through the lanyard holes to keep the cable in place.
It appears that all of our masking and potting was a waste of time. That's the best news yet! Having an intrinsically waterproof connector is a way better solution.
Now all we have to do is screw up the courage to throw the Oregon in our dunk tank with no cable plugged in to see if it really is waterproof.

Thanks for the update Emmbeedee. You are definitely the source for Garmin info.
And thanks to Yardstick for the post showing the response from Gary H.
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Thanks for the update Emmbeedee. You are definitely the source for Garmin info.
I wouldn't say that - I am just expressing my opinion and bits of research I've done, as we all do here. :)

But I think I'm going to buy one of your cables, that's for sure.
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Old 04-14-2011, 02:01 PM   #432
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The Oregon may be vibration tested but it's not shock tested.

Normal ADV use and no issues. However a 3 hr cross country race and it kept turning off. Why oh why don't they throw a decent capacitor across the battery terminals?
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The Oregon may be vibration tested but it's not shock tested.

Normal ADV use and no issues. However a 3 hr cross country race and it kept turning off. Why oh why don't they throw a decent capacitor across the battery terminals?
The Oregon is sold as a handheld (ie. hiking) GPS unit. It easily handles the sort of shock that it gets from a hiker
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Now all we have to do is screw up the courage to throw the Oregon in our dunk tank with no cable plugged in to see if it really is waterproof.
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:22 PM   #435
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I should take that courage test for you now... I had my Oregon 300 slide off the couch next to me and hit the tile floor last night. I picked it up thinking no big deal as usual. (not my first time dropping it) This time though the screen has 4 large cracks in it. Called Garmin and it will be $99 to get it fixed.

Dont know if getting it wet will be the same fix price or if they will charge me differently though. But if anyone has that answer I will take the plunge (pun intended)

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