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Old 12-01-2009, 09:31 PM   #271
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What year is yours & how many miles on it?
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Old 12-02-2009, 08:43 AM   #272
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It's an 09 (one year with me this month) and I honestly don't know the miles. Certainly under 3000...knee replacement early this year has limited my riding. It has been babied because of my inability (for now) to go play the way it was made for.

Point here is to show one more symptom of fuel pump issues.
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Old 01-17-2010, 07:47 PM   #273
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I know there is a difference between starting and stalling, but I thought I'd just pass this along just in case anyone might experience a similar problem.

I'm experiencing start problems with my '09 8GS. As it turns out, it's not related with the fuel tank (vacuum or otherwise) nor the charcoal canister. The problem I have is fuel injector related. The injectors needs a heavy dose of cleaning. Something that us regular mortals can't do and only the dealer can. I have 10K miles on the bike and put in nothing but 91 grade. According to the service manager I talked to, he said that the gas manufacturers sometimes put in more alcohol than what is claimed. As a result, the bikes have problems burning the fuel and stall.

In terms of other bikes having the same problem starting as I have experienced, the service manager told me a brand new F650GS twin with only 300 miles is also experiencing starting problems. When the same troubleshooting technique used on my bike was done to the new F650GS, the bike fires up and runs fine.

I hope this helps with the stalling problem. BTW, BMW NA knows about this fueling problem. They're trying to figure out what to do. European people are lucky and don't have to worry as they mix their fuel differently. Cheers.
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Old 01-18-2010, 08:27 AM   #274
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40% Alcohol??

Thats awful! How did you guys determine the % of alcohol in the tank? Hopefully its something that others can do to rule out the fuel as the problem!
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:06 AM   #275
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I know there is a difference between starting and stalling, but I thought I'd just pass this along just in case anyone might experience a similar problem.

I'm experiencing start problems with my '09 8GS. As it turns out, it's not related with the fuel tank (vacuum or otherwise) nor the charcoal canister. The problem I have is fuel injector related. The injectors needs a heavy dose of cleaning. Something that us regular mortals can't do and only the dealer can. I have 10K miles on the bike and put in nothing but 91 grade. According to the service manager I talked to, he said that the gas manufacturers sometimes put in more alcohol than what is claimed. As a result, the bikes have problems burning the fuel and stall.

In terms of other bikes having the same problem starting as I have experienced, the service manager told me a brand new F650GS twin with only 300 miles is also experiencing starting problems. When the same troubleshooting technique used on my bike was done to the new F650GS, the bike fires up and runs fine.

I hope this helps with the stalling problem. BTW, BMW NA knows about this fueling problem. They're trying to figure out what to do. European people are lucky and don't have to worry as they mix their fuel differently. Cheers.
Sounds like a serious load of BS to me. 10k miles and plugged injectors Why does no other fuel injected bike seem to have these issues? I tend to agree that the fuel we buy now a days is crap but that's pretty lame for BMW to be blaming the gas. Maybe we should all start buying our gas from Mexico. If that's really BMW's official stance on this, then they should be providing all owners with a lifetime supply of SeaFoam.
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Old 01-18-2010, 11:49 AM   #276
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Dump De-Icer and Sta Bil in my vehicles on a regular basis all year long. Shitty Ethanol in our fuel attracts all the moisture around. Also only buy from the busiest name brand fuel stations around.
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Old 01-18-2010, 12:35 PM   #277
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40% alcohol sounds to me like they tried to fix it with too much gas line anti-freeze or methyl hydrate or something before bringing it in. (I sure hope the fuel mix is not that far off from the pumps!)
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Old 01-22-2010, 06:44 AM   #278
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Sounds like a serious load of BS to me. 10k miles and plugged injectors Why does no other fuel injected bike seem to have these issues? I tend to agree that the fuel we buy now a days is crap but that's pretty lame for BMW to be blaming the gas. Maybe we should all start buying our gas from Mexico. If that's really BMW's official stance on this, then they should be providing all owners with a lifetime supply of SeaFoam.
Hi guys. Sorry for the delay in response. I finally got my bike back and have been out riding in the rain. It's the greatest.

Yeah, I know it sounds like a load of bull. And it sounds like absolute baloney that 10K and the fuel injector is clogged. Well I don't have the answer for that. All that I can say is, after they returned my bike with a heavy dose of FI cleaning, I haven't stalled once after two days of heavy rain riding. I'm a software nerd so I can't begin to tell you what the true story is regarding the fuel and alcohol content. I'm just passing along the story so perhaps it can help someone. Take as it may. The FI cleaning did wonders for my bike. Yes, the service manager also mention about the alcohol binding with water, and yes, the People's Republic of California does all kinds of weird things to the gas so they can think they have a cleaner environment. Freakin' tree huggers.

Cheers guys, I'm looking at another wonderful days of riding in the rain. Booya!
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:32 AM   #279
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Hi guys. Sorry for the delay in response. I finally got my bike back and have been out riding in the rain. It's the greatest.

Yeah, I know it sounds like a load of bull. And it sounds like absolute baloney that 10K and the fuel injector is clogged. Well I don't have the answer for that. All that I can say is, after they returned my bike with a heavy dose of FI cleaning, I haven't stalled once after two days of heavy rain riding. I'm a software nerd so I can't begin to tell you what the true story is regarding the fuel and alcohol content. I'm just passing along the story so perhaps it can help someone. Take as it may. The FI cleaning did wonders for my bike. Yes, the service manager also mention about the alcohol binding with water, and yes, the People's Republic of California does all kinds of weird things to the gas so they can think they have a cleaner environment. Freakin' tree huggers.

Cheers guys, I'm looking at another wonderful days of riding in the rain. Booya!
If that's the case, then I would seriously be running SeaFoam as a regular additive. I usually only run it once in the spring to clean out any crap from winterizing, then every few months, but in your case I'd just use it in every tank or every other tank at least.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:17 AM   #280
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If that's the case, then I would seriously be running SeaFoam as a regular additive. I usually only run it once in the spring to clean out any crap from winterizing, then every few months, but in your case I'd just use it in every tank or every other tank at least.
Thanks bross. I did think about that wondering if I should run my bike with some type of fuel stabilizer. I'm still considering it and not quite ready to do anything as of yet. I'm still waiting to see what BMW NA comes up with. I don't know that they will be publishing or recalling anything any time soon.

As for status regarding my bike. I ran the bike in a few more days of heavy rain and it still hasn't stalled yet. I did manage to get the bike to stall on the clear day, not too long after I got the bike back, but I attribute this to low idle revs and didn't throttle up as I was coming out of a turn. Most likely my fault. I adjust the throttle cable a little bit to prevent excessive slack, and the bike hasn't stalled since. I have since revised my riding style a bit too.
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Old 01-27-2010, 09:45 AM   #281
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Got a friend with 09 chevy truck that is in shop needed overhaul. 14,000 miles. Chevy says will not fix cause he has 58% ethanol in his tank!! Now he is faced with getting a lawyer to sue the station or the dealer. A friend of mine has gone so anal as to start testing his fuel before he buys. He sees 20%+ on a regular basis. I wish I could find a station with NO ethanol
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:01 AM   #282
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Thanks bross. I did think about that wondering if I should run my bike with some type of fuel stabilizer. I'm still considering it and not quite ready to do anything as of yet. I'm still waiting to see what BMW NA comes up with. I don't know that they will be publishing or recalling anything any time soon.

As for status regarding my bike. I ran the bike in a few more days of heavy rain and it still hasn't stalled yet. I did manage to get the bike to stall on the clear day, not too long after I got the bike back, but I attribute this to low idle revs and didn't throttle up as I was coming out of a turn. Most likely my fault. I adjust the throttle cable a little bit to prevent excessive slack, and the bike hasn't stalled since. I have since revised my riding style a bit too.
No bike should stall from a low idle coming out of a turn! You shouldn't have to adapt your riding style to ride around this "feature". Something's not right. If your bike was carbureted and you had purposely lowered the idle because you liked the sound of it loping along, like a lot of the "cool" cruiser guys do, then I'd say that could be a reasonable cause for a stall. But NEVER on a computer controlled fuel injected bike. That's just flipping dangerous.

Don't wait for BMW to "fix" this, it may never happen. Try running SeaFoam for the next few tanks, just add the proper amount for the size of your tank and see if it clears up the stall. If it does then *you* need to decide if it's worth it to pay for adding a fuel stabilizer for the life of the bike. Don't hold your breath waiting for a fix from BMW.

And I'm not some BMW hater just beating on the brand. I owned and rode an 06 R1200RT for 34,000+ trouble free kilometers.
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:04 AM   #283
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That's why I generally stop at name brand stations. Not a guarantee but my BMW car runs noticeably better on name brand mid-grade vs joker brand supreme.

I used to think it was just me but at idle at stop lights it is a big difference. Gas mileage too. Winter is worse. Ethanol right...

I pay the few extra pennies for good gas now. Genetics are ok for cereal and pasta. I find it funny people are particular about their beer, cigarettes & whiskey but not about their fuel.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:45 PM   #284
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That's why I generally stop at name brand stations. Not a guarantee but my BMW car runs noticeably better on name brand mid-grade vs joker brand supreme.

I used to think it was just me but at idle at stop lights it is a big difference. Gas mileage too. Winter is worse. Ethanol right...

I pay the few extra pennies for good gas now. Genetics are ok for cereal and pasta. I find it funny people are particular about their beer, cigarettes & whiskey but not about their fuel.

I think you meant "Generics" instead of "Genetics", right?
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Old 01-27-2010, 02:31 PM   #285
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I think you meant "Generics" instead of "Genetics", right?
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