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Old 02-07-2009, 08:24 AM   #16
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Once we get a registration program (and the related funding stream) we will be able to clear a lot of this up. We just need to gain some headway with the issues in this paper and we will be in a much better position.

the multijurisdictions crossed will be a challenge. The DOT/DMV will want a piece to put proper signage on road crossing and use to alert drivers. DNR will want to administer the program and does have the system in place to provide the registrations. Forestry dept may want some consideration too for road maintenance.


Michigan's OHV sticker system is appreciated. Buy an annual sticker, slap it on and go. Stickers available at many retail outlets also let the business community know of our pre$ence. Very much like a user fee. The sticker being not vehicle specific definitely streamlines the process on many levels.

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Old 02-07-2009, 09:20 AM   #17
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the multijurisdictions crossed will be a challenge. The DOT/DMV will want a piece to put proper signage on road crossing and use to alert drivers. DNR will want to administer the program and does have the system in place to provide the registrations. Forestry dept may want some consideration too for road maintenance
Good thing this is nothing new and it is already successfully in place for ATVs and snowmobiles. Once OHM can get the funding stream from registrations and their share of federal and state gas tax money up and running (along with some other enabling steps), it will be easy to move forward. Looking forward to some progress once we get the legislative steps accomplished.
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Old 02-08-2009, 08:08 AM   #18
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Good thing this is nothing new and it is already successfully in place for ATVs and snowmobiles. Once OHM can get the funding stream from registrations and their share of federal and state gas tax money up and running (along with some other enabling steps), it will be easy to move forward. Looking forward to some progress once we get the legislative steps accomplished.
agreed. (Sorry, I must mention Michiigan ).

I must commend Michigan for their recent law wich enables each township to adopt an ordinace allowing OHV use on their roadways. Hopefully the townships adopt uniformity to allow riders the luxury of continuity.


As long as riders can self discipline, these ordinances will remain in our favor.
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Old 02-08-2009, 09:24 AM   #19
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agreed. (Sorry, I must mention Michiigan ).

I must commend Michigan for their recent law wich enables each township to adopt an ordinace allowing OHV use on their roadways. Hopefully the townships adopt uniformity to allow riders the luxury of continuity.


As long as riders can self discipline, these ordinances will remain in our favor.
Since Michigan keeps coming up, let me include some links to ordinances to clear up any misinformation or confusion on how this works and what the authorizing bodies of government are. An important point is that the highway commission can only close a certain percentage of roads. Helps keep access.

Alpena OKAY http://www.alpenacounty.org/Ordinanc...0Ordinance.PDF
Osceola OKAY http://www.osceola-county.org/County...nce%202008.pdf
Chippewa OKAY http://www.chippewacountymi.gov/Web_...ordinancec.pdf
Mackinac OKAY http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a
Marquette OKAY http://www.co.marquette.mi.us/information/ORVORD103.pdf
Missaukee OKAY http://www.cadillacnews.com/story_ne...2752&year=2008
Presque Isle OKAY http://www.presqueislesheriff.com/orv%20ordinance.html
Montmorency OKAY http://www.montmorencycountymichigan...0ORDINANCE.pdf
Menominee OKAY http://www.menomineecounty.com/i_men...ance_final.pdf
Iron OKAY http://www.iron.org/edc/gov-sheriff-ordinance-orv.php
Houghton OKAY http://www.houghtoncountyroads.org/info-orv.shtml

Crawford DRAFT OKAY http://www.crawfordco.org/Ordinances/Draft%20ORV.htm

Keep in mind that many counties previously had these ordinances in effect for years. The recent change in state law essentially negated those ordinances requiring the counties to adopt a new version that accounted for the state law.


Can't say that this is a current list because this thread is about Wisconsin initiatives and not Michigan.

(Thanks to http://www.atvoffroad.net/forums/cmps_index.php for the handy list.)
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Old 02-09-2009, 09:14 AM   #20
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Bryan, just curious. DO you forsee a time when the DOT / DMV will mandate DOT approved tires when riding on their right-of-way or road shoulder?


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Old 02-09-2009, 09:53 AM   #21
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Bryan, just curious. DO you forsee a time when the DOT / DMV will mandate DOT approved tires when riding on their right-of-way or road shoulder?


I would think that the key to that requirement would be whether or not the vehicle was being operated under the definition of an ORV versus a highway licensed vehicle. Obviously a highway licensed vehicle would have to meet the requirements for highway use - including DOT approved tires. A vehicle operating as an ORV would not have those requirements. Operating a vehicle like an ATV that has low pressure tires can be dangerous on pavement. However, since the principal use and design is for off highway use, off-highway and low pressure tires (for ATVs) are much safer for the intended use. The practice now seems to be to regulate the speed of the off-highway vehicle while it is on the highway to maintain safety.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:30 AM   #22
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Got a call from a legislator this morning. He read through the paper last night and was complimentary and appreciative of our work. He said he is taking the paper forward to some other legislators (including some in the majority party) that he knows are supportive of our interests.


Of course, there will be more to be done as we try to move forward.
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Outstanding!! Nice work Bryan!
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Good Work!

I think the added tourism revenue would also be a big bonus. Our Northern counties in WI have gotten more year round business with the opening of the ATV trails. Add OHM and Dual Sports will = more tourism. I would gladly shell out $30 for a 2 year trail pass for my Dual Sport. Opening the ATV trails would make WI an awsome place for riding, especially Dual Sport riding.
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I think the added tourism revenue would also be a big bonus. Our Northern counties in WI have gotten more year round business with the opening of the ATV trails. Add OHM and Dual Sports will = more tourism. I would gladly shell out $30 for a 2 year trail pass for my Dual Sport. Opening the ATV trails would make WI an awsome place for riding, especially Dual Sport riding.
I agree about the important of tourism. That has been one of the key influences for some of the enabling legislation they have enjoyed in Michigan.

When I look at approaching legislators, I look at the rural economic development aspects as much as I do the recreation side. Since, as you say, the tourism (which often inlcudes rural economic development) is a very real product of this kind of recreation, it is important to keep that visible. Legislators from those districts that significantly rely on tourism/recreation are usually very supportive.
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Old 02-12-2009, 03:45 PM   #26
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Got a call from a legislator this morning. He read through the paper last night and was complimentary and appreciative of our work. He said he is taking the paper forward to some other legislators (including some in the majority party) that he knows are supportive of our interests.


Of course, there will be more to be done as we try to move forward.
well done!

BTW did they comment that a pic of a KLR would have been better than the DRZ?
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well done!

BTW did they comment that a pic of a KLR would have been better than the DRZ?
I didn't use the KLR picture because I was trying to promote the notion that we weren't too cheap to pay off-highway permit fees. (Just kidding! I like KLRs and KLR owners! Freeflow baited me into making a stupid comment.)

By the way, we're just getting started on this legislative thing. WOHMA is on board and we are lining up for even more progress.

Between doing advocacy, research, writing papers and proposals, sending letters/e-mails to government reps on issues, posting GPS tracks/routes, CannonTreks, tending an event calendar on-line, State committee work, trail info matrix stuff, ride report tracks/spreadsheets with links, reference sets (hysterical markers, rustic roads, etc), trying to stir interest on some of these issues on-line, and support to multiple clubs, I feel like I have a stinkin' job again. Oh yeah, just got off the phone with the CannonTrek motel and the meet and greet restaurant/pub a few minutes ago. Not to mention the burst of e-mails and phone calls that hit hard over the past couple of days related to some of this stuff. . . Whatever you guys are paying toward my military retirement (thank you by the way), at least some motorcyclists are getting something back.

What better way to add stress to an otherwise happily retired guy's life.
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If your retirement ambitions and drive are a reflectoin of your military employement days I'd say that the taxpayers dollars were well spent before you retired too.
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If your retirement ambitions and drive are a reflectoin of your military employement days I'd say that the taxpayers dollars were well spent before you retired too.
Thanks Fast. Coincidentally I was just notified today I was selected to be in a Hall of Honor (plaque with my likeness on it describing some career contributions). Have to go to an induction ceremony. Thought I was done with all that. Could have knocked me over with a feather. . .
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