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Old 07-31-2013, 07:26 PM   #436
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Public comment meeting on Sauk Prairie this evening. A lot of people were there. Most seemed to be against the option that includes motorized recreation at the site.

The DNR pointed out that this is an opportunity to address some recreational interests that are underserved in the region (our contention).

So far 315 people have already responded to the survey. Last time, when we made a substantial showing, about 400 turned in comments. You can bet there are a greater proportion of low-impact respondents than motorized this time around so we have to make a strong effort to get our comments in this time.

Basically there are three options. One is to do nothing (mandatory alternative). Another is emphasis on ecological restoration with limited low-impact uses. The third is an emphasis on outdoor recreation that includes motorized use.

The DNR feels like they are not filling the needs that are out there (like ours) so the recreation emphasis would scratch that itch a little.

There will be another on site self-guided tour of the property on 24 August.

The proposed motorized area includes an adjacent shooting range. We would be segregated from the rest of the property by a separate entrance. Our part of the program, including the range, would be about 562 acres.

The decision of whether the Ho-Chunk will take their slice of the property should be made in September. If they don't take it, more for the DNR.

Lots of DNR cops there.

The firing range issue is tied to motorized . . . that is we are in it together. People have opposition to one or the other or both. Both are in the alternative that allows motorized recreation.

I will put out some guidance on things to cover in formulating a response. If you are a shooter, you will probably want to give strong support to the range too. It is best for both proposals to win to carry us.

After this comment window closed 30 August, the DNR will go to work on a draft master plan and environmental assessment for the preferred alternative. In the Spring of 2014, we will get a whack at that. In the summer of 2014 it goes to the Natural Resources board.

I'll get the info out for formulating comments within the next few days.

I did an interview with Channel 27 (Madison) in favor of motorized as part of their coverage of the meeting.
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Old 07-31-2013, 09:26 PM   #437
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News story.

http://www.wkow.com/story/22960809/2...clipId=9153004

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Old 07-31-2013, 10:12 PM   #438
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Area they are looking at for motorized trails. 500+ acres. Segregates us from some other users. Firing range to the east of us.

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Old 07-31-2013, 11:33 PM   #439
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Thanks for attending and getting our voices out there. This is certainly something we need to be aggressive about trying for.

There are thousands of acres across the state where the 'silent' activity types can go - yet we are severely limited in our riding acreage.
I would be willing to bet that a multi use site that includes offroad vehicles will generate much more local revenue than someone hiking around looking at birds
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:19 PM   #440
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We have until August 30th to get our comments in regarding proposals for the Sauk Prairie Recreation Area.

Last time we did a great job making our interests for motorized recreation known - especially the need for single track motorcycle trails.

Last time there were about 400 comments overall and we made up a good percentage of those. At the time of the public meeting on 31 July, 315 had already offered comments about the proposals. You can bet that this time around there will be many more comments that are not in favor of motorized recreation at the site. There are some organized efforts to promote options that do not allow for motorized recreation.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET COMMENTS SUBMITTED THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF THE OUTDOOR RECREATION EMPHASIS PROPOSAL THAT INCLUDES MOTORIZED RECREATION.

Get word out to other riders and clubs and make sure that people act right away.

These things are often confusing so I have sorted through the issues to help people understand things a little better. Some of my comments are in previous posts.

This time comments are being taken via an on-line survey. The survey itself can be confusing to some as they spend a lot of time talking about vision statements and only a little time concentrating on the three options.

To help sort through this, I am offering some sample comments as they relate to each section of the survey. Please don't use the same words, but try to cover the same points in your own words.

The notes are organized to align with the questionnaire.


Comments to consider for the on-line questionaire.

Page 1 of 4 asks for your zip code. It is a good idea to comment later in the survey that despite the distance from your home, you would be willing to travel to Sauk Prairie to enjoy motorized recreation (and to use the firing range).

Page 2 (Vision)
It would be useful to comment that this large tract of land is proximate to a large number of Wisconsin residents whose recreational interests are underserved in the region. The vision statement should include a statement that recognizes this as an opportunity to bring underserved recreational interests into more reasonable balance while providing opportunities that are within reasonable reach of where people live.

Page 3 (Ecological Management)
Ecological management is important but in this case it should not eliminate opportunities for outdoor recreation. It must be clear that recreation and ecological management do not exclude each other.

Page 3 (Recreation)
It must be clearly stated that recreation takes priority here. There are recreational interests that have not been adequately addressed in the region. Converting this large former industrial site to public land provides an important opportunity to address some of those shortfalls. There is already a large existing tract of parkland in place in this area. The priority here needs to be to address other recreational interests that include motorized recreation and a firearms range.

Page 3 (Cultural Resource Preservation)
Significant sites should be identified and preserved, but not to the extent that it unreasonably restricts recreational use of the land. The priority should be to maximize recreational use of the site while preserving significant cultural features.

Page 3 (Education and Interpretation)
As in cultural resource preservation, education and interpretive opportunities should be addressed without unreasonably restricting recreational use of the land.

Page 4 (Draft Conceptual Alternatives)
No Action Alternative
I do not like this alternative. It wastes a public resource that could otherwise be developed to provide recreation opportunities for a large number of residents that are proximate to this site. The property needs to be developed to maximize recreational opportunities.

Ecological Restoration Emphasis
The site had limited vehicle access and perceived remoteness when it was an industrial site. This is largely because the public was denied use of the land. Now that we can change that, we need to make use of this property by addressing shortfalls in recreation opportunities for a large number of people that live within range of the property. We already have adjoining land that offers traits of what is proposed under this option. Tieing up this property under this option would severely limit the number of residents that would benefit from the resource. We need to maximize the recreational opportunities at the site, not unreasonably limit how it can be used.

Outdoor Recreation Emphasis
This proposal offers the best balance of uses for the property and maximizes the benefit of the property for the most users. The site has the potential to serve a large number of Wisconsin residents because of its proximity to population areas. It also has sufficient space to be able to accommodate some regionally underserved recreational interests like motorized recreation and target shooting. The size and layout of the property would allow a variety of recreational interests to be enjoyed without interference. This option also allows for many of the important features of the other options to be part of the program. The other two options are too restrictive. This option best addresses everyone's interests. I am willing to travel a long distance to be able to participate in motorized recreation and target shooting at this site - especially since these interests are largely underserved in this part of the state.

Thank you for making our interests known. If we prevail we will have a nice riding opportunity that will serve a lot of people - especially since there are so few other options.


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Old 08-08-2013, 04:55 AM   #441
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We have until August 30th to get our comments in regarding proposals for the Sauk Prairie Recreation Area.

Last time we did a great job making our interests for motorized recreation known - especially the need for single track motorcycle trails.

Last time there were about 400 comments overall and we made up a good percentage of those. At the time of the public meeting on 31 July, 315 had already offered comments about the proposals. You can bet that this time around there will be many more comments that are not in favor of motorized recreation at the site. There are some organized efforts to promote options that do not allow for motorized recreation.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE GET COMMENTS SUBMITTED THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF THE OUTDOOR RECREATION EMPHASIS PROPOSAL THAT INCLUDES MOTORIZED RECREATION.

Get word out to other riders and clubs and make sure that people act right away.

These things are often confusing so I have sorted through the issues to help people understand things a little better. Some of my comments are in previous posts.

This time comments are being taken via an on-line survey. The survey itself can be confusing to some as they spend a lot of time talking about vision statements and only a little time concentrating on the three options.

To help sort through this, I am offering some sample comments as they relate to each section of the survey. Please don't use the same words, but try to cover the same points in your own words.

The notes are organized to align with the questionnaire.


Comments to consider for the on-line questionaire.

Page 1 of 4 asks for your zip code. It is a good idea to comment later in the survey that despite the distance from your home, you would be willing to travel to Sauk Prairie to enjoy motorized recreation (and to use the firing range).

Page 2 (Vision)
It would be useful to comment that this large tract of land is proximate to a large number of Wisconsin residents whose recreational interests are underserved in the region. The vision statement should include a statement that recognizes this as an opportunity to bring underserved recreational interests into more reasonable balance while providing opportunities that are within reasonable reach of where people live.

Page 3 (Ecological Management)
Ecological management is important but in this case it should not eliminate opportunities for outdoor recreation. It must be clear that recreation and ecological management do not exclude each other.

Page 3 (Recreation)
It must be clearly stated that recreation takes priority here. There are recreational interests that have not been adequately addressed in the region. Converting this large former industrial site to public land provides an important opportunity to address some of those shortfalls. There is already a large existing tract of parkland in place in this area. The priority here needs to be to address other recreational interests that include motorized recreation and a firearms range.

Page 3 (Cultural Resource Preservation)
Significant sites should be identified and preserved, but not to the extent that it unreasonably restricts recreational use of the land. The priority should be to maximize recreational use of the site while preserving significant cultural features.

Page 3 (Education and Interpretation)
As in cultural resource preservation, education and interpretive opportunities should be addressed without unreasonably restricting recreational use of the land.

Page 4 (Draft Conceptual Alternatives)
No Action Alternative
I do not like this alternative. It wastes a public resource that could otherwise be developed to provide recreation opportunities for a large number of residents that are proximate to this site. The property needs to be developed to maximize recreational opportunities.

Ecological Restoration Emphasis
The site had limited vehicle access and perceived remoteness when it was an industrial site. This is largely because the public was denied use of the land. Now that we can change that, we need to make use of this property by addressing shortfalls in recreation opportunities for a large number of people that live within range of the property. We already have adjoining land that offers traits of what is proposed under this option. Tying up this property under this option would severely limit the number of residents that would benefit from the resource. We need to maximize the recreational opportunities at the site, not unreasonably limit how it can be used.

Outdoor Recreation Emphasis
This proposal offers the best balance of uses for the property and maximizes the benefit of the property for the most users. The site has the potential to serve a large number of Wisconsin residents because of its proximity to population areas. It also has sufficient space to be able to accommodate some regionally underserved recreational interests like motorized recreation and target shooting. The size and layout of the property would allow a variety of recreational interests to be enjoyed without interference. This option also allows for many of the important features of the other options to be part of the program. The other two options are too restrictive. This option best addresses everyone's interests. I am willing to travel a long distance to be able to participate in motorized recreation and target shooting at this site - especially since these interests are largely underserved in this part of the state.

Thank you for making our interests known. If we prevail we will have a nice riding opportunity that will serve a lot of people - especially since there are so few other options.


Done. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:14 AM   #442
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Done. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. It looks like there is room for many activities to bring to a central area of WI. The shooting range is good thing as the sport tends to be on a rise. I hope to be able to use the trails some day.
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:16 AM   #443
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done. from work last night. gotta make the most of my freetime
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:51 AM   #444
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Done...thanks Cannon!
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:16 AM   #445
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:20 PM   #447
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Thanks folks! We need to keep pushing this to get as many comments in as we can!
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Old 08-08-2013, 07:24 PM   #448
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Quite the homework assignment!

I hope they leave a couple of the old buildings... And those old tanks. Tanks are cool.
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Thanks for putting this together Bryan! I completed the survey and hope it gets to move forward. Looks like a great destination for some fun.
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Thanks all for posting. Visited a trail expo yesterday. Spent some time with our OHM bill sponsor from the legislature. Did some networking on issues of interest to us. Working on getting a short TV segment on off-highway motorcycling on an outdoor show.
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