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Old 11-08-2012, 09:39 PM   #796
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I think you may referring to the French guy who found a bit of gear in his oil. Turned out to be a bit of 3rd gear. His bike was still running fine, no damage done. He choose to tear into it and install new Suzuki parts.

He was in Oaxaca, Mexico, IIRC. He got the parts in about two weeks (IIRC). He had it fixed locally and rode on. So far, haven't heard any bad news ... so I'm guessing he's doing OK? Anyone else ever heard more from this guy? (now about 6 months back)

Lots and lots of DR650's have tackled South America ... and very few ever post here and very few ever have had catastrophic failures.

On my last Baja trip (down to La Paz) I ran into two German women on DR's, headed all the way down. Saw two other riders on DR's but didn't get to talk to them. They were Euros or Aussies I believe, fully loaded, headed South. All had California plates.

The common theme now is travelers come to California or other US state), buy a DR (or KLR) and ride South. For the Euros this saves about $2000 in shipping costs (even more from Oz) and avoids the major hassles of importing a bike. Dozens are doing this now every year. Lots aboard DR650's. Some have bad luck (like the Kiwi couple), most do just fine.
One recent 3rd gear blow up in Sth America might be this one;
http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...704429&page=30
See post 439

Wish there was a pattern to follow with what causes this problem
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:04 AM   #797
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One recent 3rd gear blow up in Sth America might be this one;
http://advrider.com/forums/showthrea...704429&page=30
See post 439

Wish there was a pattern to follow with what causes this problem
I remember that report from last year. I remember Henriette as she was a Pro Roller Derby skater in the EU.

Not to cover for the DR's failed 3rd gear issues ... but can rider shifting technique ... or poor maintenance practices influence such an outcome?

Can a beginning rider actually abuse the transmission from poor shifting?
I've seen it many times over the years.

It's clear neither Lars nor Henriette were motorcyclists and neither had a clue mechanically, as they admitted several times in their report.

Maintenance was seriously let go, probably not on purpose, but just because they had no clue what to look for and no clue what needed attention. They only dealt with things .. after the bike stopped.

Proof? Take a look how far they let their sprockets go before deciding it would be a good idea to change them! To me, lack of awareness of this problem is emblematic of poor awareness of the WHOLE BIKE. Chain and sprockets are so basic, so Page One of Adventure travel, you really have to wonder. Sadly, we see this MORE AND MORE among travelers.

I did not read the whole report ... never did read what ever happened to her DR650. Last I heard it was left in Argentina at a shop ... waiting for parts. So what ever happened to it? Anyone know?

Sprockets anyone?

How does anyone let a sprocket go this far? Clueless. See page 30 of RR to find the story.

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Old 11-09-2012, 04:04 PM   #798
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Not to cover for the DR's failed 3rd gear issues ... but can rider shifting technique ... or poor maintenance practices influence such an outcome?

Can a beginning rider actually abuse the transmission from poor shifting?
I've seen it many times over the years.

It's clear neither Lars nor Henriette were motorcyclists and neither had a clue mechanically, as they admitted several times in their report.
That's where I think lugging in higher gears (4th, 5th) and not changing down could be a culprit.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:19 PM   #799
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I had 2 stroke oil I'm my bike st the time the gear box went.
I put it in there because I was told it would give the bike a powerband.

It didn't.

Do you think the oil could have caused my third gear to fail?
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:09 PM   #800
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I had 2 stroke oil I'm my bike st the time the gear box went.
I put it in there because I was told it would give the bike a powerband.

It didn't.

Do you think the oil could have caused my third gear to fail?
Dude,that's a joke right?
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Henriette and Lars were running those bikes hard for sure,loaded to the hilt and beyond,maybe not keeping up on maintenance just from not knowing any better. Still odd that 3rd was the gear to blow to bits,some how they figured a way to leave the DR behind,I havent read just how yet.
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:15 PM   #801
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I had 2 stroke oil I'm my bike st the time the gear box went.
I put it in there because I was told it would give the bike a powerband.

It didn't.

Do you think the oil could have caused my third gear to fail?
Probably.

I don't think the DR gearboxs are built to handle a 'powerband'!

When it came 'on, it would have wreaked havoc with the gearbox internals, do you remember if you where in 3rd at the time?
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:01 PM   #802
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I don't think the DR gearboxs are built to handle a 'powerband'!
Well, no 790 kitted DR's have blown...
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:06 PM   #803
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It's clear neither Lars nor Henriette were motorcyclists and neither had a clue mechanically, as they admitted several times in their report.

Maintenance was seriously let go, probably not on purpose, but just because they had no clue what to look for and no clue what needed attention. They only dealt with things .. after the bike stopped.

Proof? Take a look how far they let their sprockets go before deciding it would be a good idea to change them! To me, lack of awareness of this problem is emblematic of poor awareness of the WHOLE BIKE. Chain and sprockets are so basic, so Page One of Adventure travel, you really have to wonder. Sadly, we see this MORE AND MORE among travelers.

Sprockets anyone?

How does anyone let a sprocket go this far? Clueless. See page 30 of RR to find the story.

Hoooolllllleeeeeyyyy crapola.

How can anyone over 10, be that mechanically unaware? No disrespect intended, I do day rides.

Thanks Grifter, you have a way with words; made my night. My baby DR turned 42,207 today.
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:23 PM   #804
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I had 2 stroke oil I'm my bike st the time the gear box went.
I put it in there because I was told it would give the bike a powerband.

It didn't.

Do you think the oil could have caused my third gear to fail?
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Dude,that's a joke right?
Really! Two stroke oil will not do it! Different animal.
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Henriette and Lars were running those bikes hard for sure,loaded to the hilt and beyond,maybe not keeping up on maintenance just from not knowing any better. Still odd that 3rd was the gear to blow to bits,some how they figured a way to leave the DR behind,I havent read just how yet.
Still odd indeed. They managed to get out of Argentina without the bike, but got it checked out. This means there is NO paper work for the bike, and its illegal in Argentina. My guess is they sold it off. If you are local and have a few bucks and some connections ... then paper work is no problem.
done every day down there.
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:45 PM   #805
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Well it was the green outboard tcw3 two stroke oil and outboards don't have much of a power band so maybe I should try the really good red 2 stroke oil the mx guys use. They go really fast so it should work in the dr650.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:26 PM   #806
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Well, no 790 kitted DR's have blown...
how many 790-kitted dr's are there around? ten? twenty? five? curious how many folks have done this.

also wondering why no 2000 dr650's have blown up. but now that i have said it, i prolly yust jinxed myself and my 2000...

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Old 11-09-2012, 09:50 PM   #807
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Well it was the green outboard tcw3 two stroke oil and outboards don't have much of a power band so maybe I should try the really good red 2 stroke oil the mx guys use. They go really fast so it should work in the dr650.
you need an expansion chamber for it to work
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:58 PM   #808
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When you say expansion chamber, do you mean a 2l Coke bottle taped to the crankcase breather?
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Old 11-10-2012, 02:52 AM   #809
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When you say expansion chamber, do you mean a 2l Coke bottle taped to the crankcase breather?
No silly, that's the crankcase expansion tank, its there to catch the little bits of busted gears that obviously expand the crankcase when you irresponsibly hit the newly installed powerband!!

Its pretty easy to get the damn things confused, and it would not be needed if he didn't fill the poor old girl with two stroke oil in the first place!
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Old 11-10-2012, 03:10 AM   #810
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I've got an expansion chamber off a ktm 300 in the shed should i fit that?

will i need to do some jetting changes to go with the new oil and exspansion chamber?
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