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Old 04-22-2010, 11:08 PM   #121
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The good news is that the guy stripping it down is amazed at how little other damage there is to the engine. He seems to think I got away with it.
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Old 04-23-2010, 10:26 AM   #122
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The quick shutdown probably save you. A bit of silver lining anyway.
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Old 04-23-2010, 11:14 PM   #123
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If I remember this morning's conversation correctly, the parts list is:

3rd gear input
3rd gear counter
input shaft
selector fork
gasket set

You are sooo fcuking lucky

Go and buy a Lotto ticket.
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Old 04-23-2010, 11:16 PM   #124
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Another one bites the dust...

NordieBoy (NZ) 2001 60,000km
Transalper (NZ) 2001 55,000km
Rosscoact (AU) 2004 13,000km
Mardy (US) 1997 53,000km
Haddon (NZ) 1999 40,000km
RubberCow80 (AU) 2001 25,000km
Philth (AU) 3 bikes <20,000km
BikeRooter (AU) 2006 10,200km
Madsdad (US) 2005 16,000km
briangv99 (AU) 2006 21,000km
bluebye (US) 2004 37,000km
Coyote X (US) 2007 33,800km
DRjoe (AU) 1997 100,000km
DRJens (SE) 2001 23,000km
DRjoe (AU) 2003 15,000km
Helicopter (NZ) 2002 ???km
Klay (US) 2001 29,000km
Miniroot (NZ) 2007 39,200km
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Old 04-23-2010, 11:18 PM   #125
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You are sooo fcuking lucky

Go and buy a Lotto ticket.
What with that, and with the previously having been riding at "highway speeds" 60 seconds earlier, yeah, I cannot disagree. Hell, I'd just come off a roundabout. It's all good.
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:51 AM   #126
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I had a cambelt on the Nordwest break as I throttled off from a 100 zone to a 70 zone.

As far as I could tell the only damage was 1 broken cambelt.

Luck caught up with me and gave me a good kicking with the DR however...
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Old 04-24-2010, 09:55 PM   #127
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The pisser about this list is the range of mileages that they went out at. It could literally go at any point. If they all went out after a certain amount of use you could schedule a look-see but these are all over the board. Shit.

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NordieBoy (NZ) 2001 60,000km
Transalper (NZ) 2001 55,000km
Rosscoact (AU) 2004 13,000km
Mardy (US) 1997 53,000km
Haddon (NZ) 1999 40,000km
RubberCow80 (AU) 2001 25,000km
Philth (AU) 3 bikes <20,000km
BikeRooter (AU) 2006 10,200km
Madsdad (US) 2005 16,000km
briangv99 (AU) 2006 21,000km
bluebye (US) 2004 37,000km
Coyote X (US) 2007 33,800km
DRjoe (AU) 1997 100,000km
DRJens (SE) 2001 23,000km
DRjoe (AU) 2003 15,000km
Helicopter (NZ) 2002 ???km
Klay (US) 2001 29,000km
Miniroot (NZ) 2007 39,200km
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Old 04-26-2010, 08:34 AM   #128
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Years missing representation on this list:
1996, 1998, 2000, 2008, 2009, 2010 (no 2010 bike sold?)

Highest incident ocurance: 2001 (5 events)

Tied for 2nd: 1997, 2004, 2006, 2007 (all with 2 events each)

Event total: 20

This all most likely means....nothing.
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Old 04-26-2010, 11:18 AM   #129
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also would like to see a list of rider weights & how they use the bike (ie. ride it hard like a dirtbike or dualsport it) to see if heavy guys or those who ride em hard have any factor in breaking this part.

i will say that 20 out the 1000s sold world wide is such an low number to call this a defect. i'm sure there are many other failures that have occured on more than 20 bikes.

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Years missing representation on this list:
1996, 1998, 2000, 2008, 2009, 2010 (no 2010 bike sold?)

Highest incident ocurance: 2001 (5 events)

Tied for 2nd: 1997, 2004, 2006, 2007 (all with 2 events each)

Event total: 20

This all most likely means....nothing.
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Old 04-26-2010, 12:03 PM   #130
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i will say that 20 out the 1000s sold world wide is such an low number to call this a defect. i'm sure there are many other failures that have occured on more than 20 bikes.
I would agree. I also believe that the start of this thread is a disservice of sorts to the bike. If you were to start a similar thread on, say, YZ250 transmission failures, or KLR valve seat issues, you may well end up with a similarly long discussion. The fact that this issue is even mentioned on Wikipedia bothers me a bit.
My 1986 XR600 blew 3rd gear. XR600's of 1985 and 1986 were well known to have weak third gears, but Honda did not acknowledge the issue. At that time, there were many, many more than 20 occurances of this failure. Al Baker's XR's Only knew about the issue, and figured that it was well founded enough to offer a beefed up gear. In 1987, Honda had upgraded the part on their new models.
I am fairly certain that you could find 25 similar failures on any brand and make of bike out there today.

I am probably Jinxing myself now, so if my DR blows its transmission all over the place, I am going to piss all over it here.
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Old 04-26-2010, 12:39 PM   #131
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Highest incident ocurance: 2001 (5 events)
Well hot damm guess what yea mine is!!
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Old 04-26-2010, 01:04 PM   #132
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I would agree. I also believe that the start of this thread is a disservice of sorts to the bike. If you were to start a similar thread on, say, YZ250 transmission failures, or KLR valve seat issues, you may well end up with a similarly long discussion. The fact that this issue is even mentioned on Wikipedia bothers me a bit.
My 1986 XR600 blew 3rd gear. XR600's of 1985 and 1986 were well known to have weak third gears, but Honda did not acknowledge the issue. At that time, there were many, many more than 20 occurances of this failure. Al Baker's XR's Only knew about the issue, and figured that it was well founded enough to offer a beefed up gear. In 1987, Honda had upgraded the part on their new models.
I am fairly certain that you could find 25 similar failures on any brand and make of bike out there today.

I am probably Jinxing myself now, so if my DR blows its transmission all over the place, I am going to piss all over it here.
Well, I don't agree. You don't see (m)any DRs breaking because the bearings wear out, the crank spreads, the lifter bearings break etc like you do on other bikes. Except for easily fixeable stuff like the NSU bolts or the metal base gasket, 3rd gear remains the single Achilles heal of this engine.

So yes, I would call it a defect - whether it is a generally insufficiently strong part or a few badly manufactured ones I don't know.


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i'm sure there are many other failures that have occured on more than 20 bikes.
Do you recall any Bill? You have been following the threads here and on Thumpertalk, just like Nordie, Django and me. Very few owners manage to wear them out, and even fewer ones have catastrophic failures (other than 3rd gear).
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Old 04-26-2010, 01:05 PM   #133
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Years missing representation on this list:
1996, 1998, 2000, 2008, 2009, 2010 (no 2010 bike sold?)

Highest incident ocurance: 2001 (5 events)

Tied for 2nd: 1997, 2004, 2006, 2007 (all with 2 events each)

Event total: 20

This all most likely means....nothing.
Also, DRjoe's obvious outlier excluded, the mean in around 30,000km, the standard deviation around 15,000km. Which is just another way of saying that they're all over the place, and could happen almost any time.
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Old 04-26-2010, 01:17 PM   #134
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i will say that 20 out the 1000s sold world wide is such an low number to call this a defect. i'm sure there are many other failures that have occured on more than 20 bikes.
Isn't it closer to "20 out of the total number of DR650 owners who belong to Advrider, posted their woe"?

Whether that makes 20/100, or 20/1,000, or 20/10,000 I don't know. It might not even make any difference to your point, but you get my drift -- ADVrider < the world...

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Old 04-26-2010, 07:03 PM   #135
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Isn't it closer to "20 out of the total number of DR650 owners who belong to Advrider, posted their woe"?

Whether that makes 20/100, or 20/1,000, or 20/10,000 I don't know. It might not even make any difference to your point, but you get my drift -- ADVrider < the world...

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It's also possible that they arrived here after googling "third gear DR650" (or some similar search terms) AFTER they had a problem??? Maybe?
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