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Old 01-25-2009, 11:42 PM   #1
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Getting a Schuberth or BMW System Helmet

I've been shopping helmets seriously, and what I want is either a Schuberth C3 or a BMW System 5 or 6.

Has anyone had any experience importing one of these from Europe? Can you get them in Canada? What is the best way to go about this?

I would appreciate any help or advice you can offer. PM me if you wish to discuss a financial arrangement. Thanks very much.
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:21 AM   #2
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they ship to the US.
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:48 AM   #3
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I also have been shopping for helmets seriously (or serious helmets), and was also interested in the C3,.... but now I'm not so sure.

The BMW System helmets are available in Canada; they should also be available at BMW Dealers in the States.
I had the opportunity to try on both the System 5 & 6 helmets yesterday at the annual Vancouver (Abbotsford) bike show.
Both of those helmets employ chin dams to reduce the inflow of air (pressure) around the bottom of the helmet and it is one of the main reasons both iterations are so quiet and vent well -- the Schuberth uses both a chin dam and an adjustable neck wrap.
A chin dam may work well at reducing noise, but its an annoyance when putting on or removing the helmet.
When I put the system helmet on with the jaw piece open, and then closed the jaw piece, the dam hit me square on the chin. If you have a 'short face' or round face, you might not experience this problem.
The System 6 is a very light helmet. It uses a sliding spring loaded gear lock on the strap instead of D-rings (the same type of strap lock used by Airoh) and the visor has posts already installed to accept a pin-lock shield.
There is also a sliding internal tinted visor -- I was told there would be two different tints available -- which is actuated by a lever on the lower left hand side of the helmet body. The adjustment is a friction type and does not use detents. The internal visor is not cut out to accommodate the bridge of the nose -- it is parabolic on the leading edge. It doesn't hit the bridge of the nose when extended, because it is positioned closer to the external visor than it is to wearers face and when lowered, will extend slightly below the cheekline.
Color choices are, dark, darker, and dark-with-bright graphics. I was told the color white, is not available.

BMW Canada is retailing the System 6 for,...

wait for it,

.....around $900CDN.

The C3 is much the same design and is not available either in Canada or the USA, and the price is about the same by the time you convert to the pound and pay for the shipping.
If you are serious about either helmet, I would suggest you find one to try on first.
The design and price are so similar between the two, that (if it fit me) I would probably lean toward the System 6, only because you will be able to find replacement visors & parts for sale here in North America -- with the Schuberth, you'll have to get everything shipped from the UK.

Hope this helps, and good luck in your search!
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:20 AM   #4
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Vat?

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they ship to the US.

I saw no mention of VAT. Anyone know if
it is already included in their price quote or
do they add it for helmets shipped to the EU?
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:32 AM   #5
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I also have been shopping for helmets seriously (or serious helmets), and was also interested in the C3,.... but now I'm not so sure.

. . . . .

Hope this helps, and good luck in your search!
That's a lot of helpful information. Thanks!
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:38 AM   #6
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VAT is included in the price not added like US sales tax.

Get it soon, before the Pound rebounds.

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Old 01-26-2009, 09:45 AM   #7
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the VAT is deducted from the price once the helmet is shipped to the US.

450 for the C3 I think I paid $350US for the C2.
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:13 PM   #8
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the VAT is deducted from the price once the helmet is shipped to the US.

450 for the C3 I think I paid $350US for the C2.

David from Designer Helmets told me that a motorcycle helmet
is considered "compulsory safety equipment" and is exempt from
VAT in the UK. The price quoted on their website is without VAT.
He also said the GBP/USD exchange rate is the lowest since 1986.
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Old 01-26-2009, 01:23 PM   #9
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One foreign vendor has replied that since BMW helmets are not certified for use in this country, he is prohibited from selling to Americans. Each buyer must certify that he is not a citizen of the U.S. and must agree not to resell the helmet to an American.

I'm not sure I agree with all of this. If these restrictions are real, how do these other vendors manage to ship to the U.S.?
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Old 01-26-2009, 01:41 PM   #10
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I bought my C3 from these guys, nice clean transaction- http://www.sportouring.com/main.php?group=schuberth_c3.
I believe Schuberth makes the BMW system helmets, at least they used to. I've owned three system helmets, and two Schuberths. One gets used to the action of closing the chin bar without discomfort to face or glasses. My C2 was best helmet I've ever owned..... until my C3. Good luck.
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Old 01-26-2009, 01:55 PM   #11
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Thanks for the info, Ed. I'll give them a try.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:36 PM   #12
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I bought my Schuberth R1 from fc-moto.de it was a smooth easy transaction, but, they took a week or so to ship, if that's important. Great helmet, and, they have a section of their payment page that asks where you are and automatically gives shipping and VAT deduction.
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:18 PM   #13
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One foreign vendor has replied that since BMW helmets are not certified for use in this country, he is prohibited from selling to Americans. Each buyer must certify that he is not a citizen of the U.S. and must agree not to resell the helmet to an American.

I'm not sure I agree with all of this. If these restrictions are real, how do these other vendors manage to ship to the U.S.?
Jody,
[imported from concurrent thread in BMW MOA forum]

"...there is a BMW corp policy/ embargo against selling System helmets to US citizens. The policy was first imposed in ~ 1998, with intro of the System 4. The BMW Legal Dept imposed this policy on BMW Motorrad & all retail dealers worldwide, because of the Legal Dept's assessment of possible legal risks by (us) litiguous Americans.

However, that policy is not necessarily well-known/ re-enforced at BMW retail sales level, and even when known, is often ignored [except by Canadian BMW dealers]. It all depends on local country & dealer circumstances at the specific time you are attempting the purchase (in person). Many US citizens have bought System helmets overseas without hassle or with minimal hassle. A BMW employee-salesperson at a major BMW-company owned dealership in Germany even offered to sell a BMW-brand Carbon helmet if payed in cash (ATM across the street) so there was no paper trail."

In theory, no BMW dealer outside US is supposed to ship BMW brand System helmets to a US address or sell over-the-counter to a US citizen. Nevertheless over-the-counter sales happen not infrequently. It also doesn't explain how www.designerhelmets.com in UK circumvents the BMW policy. They may purchase System units from BMW dealers, then re-sell/ ship them to US customers as 'private' shipments (which anyone can do)--but that's speculation.

None of these BMW 'official' restrictions apply to Schuberth-branded helmets retailed by non-BMW dealers, even though Schubeth manufactures both.

Given the (foolish) hassle/ difficulty for US citizens to buy System helmets, I would concur with others' recommendations to order a Schuberth C3 from overseas supplier, if you're intent on either. There is nothing intrinsically 'better' about the System 5 (or 6) vs. C3. Most important, as usual, is that any helmet FITS/ protects, and lots of readily available helmets retailed in US do that.

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Old 01-27-2009, 05:40 AM   #14
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I've been known to pick up Schuberth parts and ship via USPS to the states.
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:48 AM   #15
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A clear path through the forest . . .

Many thanks to all of you.

What a world. The threat of lawsuits scares the best manufacturer out of the market. That seems totally cockeyed to me, and I'm a lawyer.

Shouldn't the cheap and shoddy folks get weeded out before the top of the line makers? Ah, well. I guess it would be a dull world if everything made sense.
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