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Old 01-28-2009, 10:40 AM   #16
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I applaud Honda for trying new things and there are some aspects of this bike which are very intriguing. Personally, I think we are due for a well-done automatiic. But the price is completely out of bounds, simply ridiculous. At $10K, Honda might find some traction with folks who want the low-seat height of a cruiser (never underestimate what a big deal this is to a lot of newcomers) and also want some of the easy-to-ride features of a scooter. But at $14,600 Honda is pissing into the wind.

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I completely agree, the bike's not bad in the looks department imo and I could see a place for it but not for the price they're asking. They need to knock at least $5k of the price to see any sales or this'll end up selling like Yamaha's GTS1000 did in the 90's.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:50 AM   #17
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:07 AM   #18
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Yeah, I agree, they are missing the pricepoint for sure.
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:15 AM   #19
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I just don't see a point of this bike. if someone wants automatic, they will buy a scooter at 1/2 price, if someone wants a bike that will handle they will buy real bike.
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:42 AM   #20
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and you may not like it. But I bet it sells well if released. There are a lot of young people out there that want to get into riding but do not want Dirt bikes, Sport bikes, or a Cruiser.

This will be a winner for Honda.
I respectfully propose that you are DEAD FOOKIN WRONG-O.

This will go down in history as a turd.

Very high quality maxi scooters are available, at least here in Europe, for those who want something with these characteristics. They're selling like hotcakes over here, for about 5k euro.

If Honda wants another hit they need to do an updated Africa Twin.
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:49 AM   #21
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I suspect that price point is going to miss the mark for attracting the young rider demographic. There is a reason why Ninja 250's sell like Happy Meals to new/young riders. That price point is aimed squarely at big cruiser buying old farts (like me minus the cruiser) with lots of disposable income.
I didn't know any 250's were selling stateside. Things have changed since I last went through your land, fersure.

Out of curiosity is it still super cheap to insure a small caliber bike there?

If new riders are starting out small I see that as progress, lives will be saved.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:12 PM   #22
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:12 PM   #23
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I didn't know any 250's were selling stateside. Things have changed since I last went through your land, fersure.
When the new Ninja 250's came out they were selling like hotcakes. Not sure if that is still the case but the wait list was at least 3 months deep for awhile.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:33 PM   #24
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I just don't see a point of this bike. if someone wants automatic, they will buy a scooter at 1/2 price, if someone wants a bike that will handle they will buy real bike.
You may be right, but Honda has quite a bit of research that says beginning riders want scooter features but don't want a scooter. They believe that scooter=station-wagon in terms of appeal in this market. Note that on their website, the DN-01 is categorized as a "crossover".

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Old 01-28-2009, 12:59 PM   #25
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wonder how many people in their focus groups were rolling in home equity cash-out money at the time? i agree with the epic failure predictions.
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:00 PM   #26
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You may be right, but Honda has quite a bit of research that says beginning riders want scooter features but don't want a scooter. They believe that scooter=station-wagon in terms of appeal in this market. Note that on their website, the DN-01 is categorized as a "crossover".

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Maybe, but beginner riders should not be buying something this big and heavy for a first bike.

And I doubt most could afford it.
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:31 PM   #27
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Have you seen Aprilia Mana? Brilliant concept that could potentially appeal to anyone looking for a motorcycle that rides like a scooter. As far as I know it's worldwide failure as far as sales go Market demands are really strange and sometimes unpredictable / unexplainable.

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You may be right, but Honda has quite a bit of research that says beginning riders want scooter features but don't want a scooter. They believe that scooter=station-wagon in terms of appeal in this market. Note that on their website, the DN-01 is categorized as a "crossover".

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Old 01-28-2009, 01:38 PM   #28
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:51 PM   #29
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I didn't know any 250's were selling stateside. Things have changed since I last went through your land, fersure.

Out of curiosity is it still super cheap to insure a small caliber bike there?

If new riders are starting out small I see that as progress, lives will be saved.
The Ninja 250 has consistently been Kawasaki's best selling bike and, IIRC, might be the best selling bike period here (I can't seem to find the web link for that at the moment).

Lots of other 250's and 200's are sold in the US. Motorcycles include the: Kawasaki KLX250, Honda Rebel 250, Honda CR230L, Suzuki DR200, Suzuki GZ250, Yamaha/Star 250, Yamaha TW200, Yamaha WR250 (2 models), Yamaha XT250, a couple Hyusong 250's, a few UM 250's, Vento 250, and the KYMCO Venox 250. The Kawasaki Eliminator 125 is the only bike of that size sold here (no CBR125 like they have in Canada).Lots of 200/250 scooters here as well.

Anyway, as for the main topic of this thread...I think its overpriced, but could very well sell better than naysayers predict.

Yes, still cheap to insure 250's.
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:58 PM   #30
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Maybe, but beginner riders should not be buying something this big and heavy for a first bike.
In an ideal world, everybody would buy 200cc dual-sports for their first bike, but it doesn't happen. To my mind, a DN-01 is a heck of a lot better beginner bike than a big Harley, metric cruiser, or 600cc sportibke, one of which is what most get as their first bike in the US market.

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