Lost neutral light

Nowwhat · 02-07-2009, 04:15 PM

The beast goes into neutral, but the light just flickers a little then goes out

I replaced the (gear position) switch behind the kick stand today, but
That didn't help...

The bike runs it just won't run with the kickstand down...

Lastly when I give it some throttle the light tries to light up?

traveltoad · 02-07-2009, 04:59 PM

loose connector behind the bulb?

Nowwhat · 02-07-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by traveltoad

loose connector behind the bulb?

Gotta be more than the bulb to trip the sidestand switch doesn't it???

PvtIdaho · 02-07-2009, 06:00 PM

Any chaffing on the wire bundle near the steering head?

Nowwhat · 02-07-2009, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PvtIdaho

Any chaffing on the wire bundle near the steering head?

went through everything behind the headlight?....

I can rock the shifter back and the light will come on....I let go of the shifter and it goes out???

PvtIdaho · 02-07-2009, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowwhat

I can rock the shifter back and the light will come on....I let go of the shifter and it goes out???

That almost makes it sound like it's a mechanical issue.

But your post about the throttle affecting it leads me back to an electrical gremlin.

???

Venteuri · 02-07-2009, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowwhat

The beast goes into neutral, but the light just flickers a little then goes out

I replaced the (gear position) switch behind the kick stand today, but
That didn't help...

The bike runs it just won't run with the kickstand down...

Lastly when I give it some throttle the light tries to light up?

I would re-check the gear p. switch!!

... "
.. it just won't run with the kickstand down...
" .. does any? you have to remove the Kick.. switch for that.

Crisis management · 02-08-2009, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venturi

.. it just won't run with the kickstand down...
" .. does any? you have to remove the Kick.. switch for that.

The 990 ADV runs with the stand down in neutral but cuts out when put into gear. The interlock is to prevent the bike being in gear with the kick stand down.

Venteuri · 02-08-2009, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crisis management

The 990 ADV runs with the stand down in neutral but cuts out when put into gear. The interlock is to prevent the bike being in gear with the kick stand down.

I then misunderstood "run" ...

Crisis management · 02-08-2009, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venturi

I then misunderstood "run" ...

Now you mention it...being a non american speaker it might be my misunderstanding???

SomeWhereUpNorth · 05-06-2010, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowwhat

went through everything behind the headlight?....

I can rock the shifter back and the light will come on....I let go of the shifter and it goes out???

Hi Nowwhat - did you ever find out what was happening?
My 2007 990S does have the same problem.

xdbx · 05-10-2010, 10:19 AM

Hey all,

I experienced the same symptoms for the last ~1000 miles, and last night I finally got around to diagnosing and fixing it. Here's my take on the issue.

On the shifter side of the actual shift drum, there is an oil pressure driven pin that pushes outwards (towards your left heel) and presses against the black 3 pin pickup switch. This pin rotates with the shift drum and contacts and grounds the switch for 2nd gear and 3rd gears well as neutral. If you clean up the area and pull the pickup off, you'll quickly see exactly how this works. There was a bit of cruddy oil in the crevasse, so I cleaned it up real good, and I also pressed the pin in and out several hundred times with a small screwdriver while testing continuity.

I felt like this was a sort of redneck "bleeding", because I felt many bubbles come out of the pin drive side, and after putting it all back together, I have a perfectly functioning neutral switch.

I should also note I kicked my bike over onto the grass for this (installing the black dog sidestand plate too), so that might have helped.

kennyh · 05-21-2010, 11:38 AM

I've cleaned the contacts on mine to no avail. The pins in the shift drum are spring loaded according to the parts diagram. Both the pins and the switch are spotless inside, but still no green light except as I shift to second it flashes. Maybe those springs weaken over time.

xdbx · 05-21-2010, 07:04 PM

The pin is both spring and oil pressure driven. Mine has started acting up again when at 7 bars in traffic, so I'm leaning towards loss of oil pressure. I'll try to replace my 15w40 rotella with the usual 15w50 mobil1 and see if that cures it. Are you using a 50w-hot oil? Do you get an accurate light engagement when coming off the offramp from highspeed//highway?

Nowwhat · 05-21-2010, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennyh

I've cleaned the contacts on mine to no avail. The pins in the shift drum are spring loaded according to the parts diagram. Both the pins and the switch are spotless inside, but still no green light except as I shift to second it flashes. Maybe those springs weaken over time.

that is what mine did....for me the entire sensor rotated a few degrees in the case....

02-07-2009, 04:15 PM	#1
Nowwhat ^OP I'll Go Second... Joined: Mar 2007 Location: On the Ground Laughing Oddometer: 3,667	Lost neutral light The beast goes into neutral, but the light just flickers a little then goes out I replaced the (gear position) switch behind the kick stand today, but That didn't help... The bike runs it just won't run with the kickstand down... Lastly when I give it some throttle the light tries to light up?

02-07-2009, 06:00 PM	#4
PvtIdaho Deck Spotter Joined: Jul 2005 Location: Boise Oddometer: 1,688	Any chaffing on the wire bundle near the steering head? __________________ "Ain't nobody ever got the "Go" code yet." -- Major Kong

05-10-2010, 10:19 AM	#12
xdbx Motorcycle Connoisseur Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Metro-Detroit Oddometer: 2,483	Solution Hey all, I experienced the same symptoms for the last ~1000 miles, and last night I finally got around to diagnosing and fixing it. Here's my take on the issue. On the shifter side of the actual shift drum, there is an oil pressure driven pin that pushes outwards (towards your left heel) and presses against the black 3 pin pickup switch. This pin rotates with the shift drum and contacts and grounds the switch for 2nd gear and 3rd gears well as neutral. If you clean up the area and pull the pickup off, you'll quickly see exactly how this works. There was a bit of cruddy oil in the crevasse, so I cleaned it up real good, and I also pressed the pin in and out several hundred times with a small screwdriver while testing continuity. I felt like this was a sort of redneck "bleeding", because I felt many bubbles come out of the pin drive side, and after putting it all back together, I have a perfectly functioning neutral switch. I should also note I kicked my bike over onto the grass for this (installing the black dog sidestand plate too), so that might have helped. __________________ Daniel 2005 KTM 950 Adventure S 2004 KTM 250 exc 2004 KTM 525 exc 2006 Beta Rev3

05-21-2010, 07:04 PM	#14
xdbx Motorcycle Connoisseur Joined: Nov 2006 Location: Metro-Detroit Oddometer: 2,483	The pin is both spring and oil pressure driven. Mine has started acting up again when at 7 bars in traffic, so I'm leaning towards loss of oil pressure. I'll try to replace my 15w40 rotella with the usual 15w50 mobil1 and see if that cures it. Are you using a 50w-hot oil? Do you get an accurate light engagement when coming off the offramp from highspeed//highway? __________________ Daniel 2005 KTM 950 Adventure S 2004 KTM 250 exc 2004 KTM 525 exc 2006 Beta Rev3

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02-07-2009, 04:59 PM	#2
traveltoad Aaron S Joined: May 2002 Location: SoCal Oddometer: 6,107	loose connector behind the bulb?

05-21-2010, 11:38 AM	#13
kennyh Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Feb 2004 Location: Friendsville, TN Oddometer: 268	I've cleaned the contacts on mine to no avail. The pins in the shift drum are spring loaded according to the parts diagram. Both the pins and the switch are spotless inside, but still no green light except as I shift to second it flashes. Maybe those springs weaken over time.