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Old 04-29-2009, 06:55 PM   #76
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Here's one a bit closer....

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Wish I had the money and a 605 was close enough, I want one so bad, to go with my ATK 260's. They're the lightest 600cc bike out there.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456594
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:08 PM   #77
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Wish I had the money
plus I know where to get one for $2k thats got maybe 15 hours on it since new.
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:19 PM   #78
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I'm a big American bike fan but I've owned an ATK and to say it's lighter than the XR650R is an illusion as I've owned both. I would say they are about the same weight dry. But the Honda has the ATK outclassed in handling and power hands down. The ATK is reliable and has the old, very old Rotax motor which just doesn't keep up wiht the Honda mill. Sorry.

I sold my ATK after I supermotoed it simply because it was too heavy for the track and not fast enough for a street ride. A very uniquely cool bike at that.








If I had to do it over again I would love to put a nice engine in the Rotax chassis just because it's soo cool looking. But the big bore Honda for supermoto, dual sporting can't be beat.
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:19 PM   #79
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to say it's lighter than the XR650R is an illusion as I've owned both. I would say they are about the same weight dry. But the Honda has the ATK outclassed in handling and power hands down. The ATK is reliable and has the old, very old Rotax motor which just doesn't keep up wiht the Honda mill. Sorry.

I sold my ATK after I supermotoed it simply because it was too heavy for the track and not fast enough for a street ride. A very uniquely cool bike at that.

If I had to do it over again I would love to put a nice engine in the Rotax chassis just because it's soo cool looking. But the big bore Honda for supermoto, dual sporting can't be beat.
Neither one is light and once you put a battery and all the street legal crap on the BRP, it weighs more than the 605, plus it doesn't have the button.

Yes, once uncorked the 650r makes a little more power, but with mods either bike can become fire breathers.

The flexy Honda forks suck IMO but so does the ATK rear suspension. They are different animals and I wouldn't trade my ATK for an XR.

If the ATK was too heavy at the track, hows the BRP do? Not trying to start anything, just sayin'.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:11 PM   #80
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280lbs for the ATK
344lbs for the XR.
Thats alot of pork in that pig.

HP, in stock tune they're farily equal. Both will respond well to improvements.
Suspension: ATK wins hands down stock. The Paolis have an issue with binding up when fully compressed. My friend that raced the 605's in the Best in the West Desert series changed the forks to Ohlins (old Cannondale stock) and it was unstoppable then, and routinely beat out KTM and Honda in his calls. If I remember right it Senior A Class Steve Pitts the rider.
The rear ATK shock on the 01 and newer was an Ohlins PDS Unit, they have a very good feel offroad as does the Paolis, my ATK 260's use the same suspension just lighter springs. The WP stuff sucks goat balls. Hands Down.
I changed out the WP on one of my bikes to Paoli/Ohlins cause it handled so much better in the woods.

How can a SuperMoto 600cc bike at 280lbs, even 300lbs be weak? I call BS on this one. Sorry thats just how I see it. Did you jet the bike for your area? This has been the down fall of many people that said the Rotax mill was weak. Even one bike magazine did a write up that it was weak, but they never bothered to jet it for the altitude. The 600 Rotax mill seemed to be more suceptable to incorrect jetting and performance issues due to it.


Disadvantage is the ATK only has a 100 mile range and no tank options to improve it. That leaves it lacking as a true Adventure bike. It would be tough to pull off a TAT with it cause of that issue.

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Old 04-30-2009, 08:53 PM   #81
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I think you're comparing a kickstart 605 to an e-start, DOT/EPA legal 650L, which is the opposite of what Michelangelo did. Apples to apples, kickstart ATK 605=280lbs. XR650R(kickstart only)=289lbs.

The WP forks work well after a Dick Wilk redo, but the non-pds WP shock is limited.

I love my 605, but the XR650R's race record speaks for itself, it's a great bike. The 605 can be just as fun and capabile with the right mods and rider. My other bikes are faster and a lot lighter, but the ATK is super fun and reliable.
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Old 05-03-2009, 07:20 PM   #82
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So, I found out that first gear is pretty much for getting moving and 2nd thru 4th/5th are where to ride.

Went on a ride with dwsAZ today. Went lookin for the trails up off Tangerine. Found em. What we DIDN'T find was a way to get there via all dirt. Where I thought we could go was posted. Maybe if I can get there from the other side?! Looks like the state trust land goes thru to ?somewhere? over there.

I also found out I can get this thing started on the first kick ala the BRP dwsAZ was riding. Something's wrong... Jetting maybe? Something else? I'm not an expert on carbs/jetting by any stretch of the imagination.

Otherwise, we had a great little ride. Oh, and I found out what Gaspipe et al were talking about when they say steer with the throttle, etc. when riding sand. I could pretty well float in about 3rd, or I could plow a furrow in anything less. MUCH easier than tryin to ride the GS-Adv thru the stuff! Sand's fun on the ATK! dwsAZ wasn't havin as good a time as I was in the sand tho. Don't know if it was too much air pressure or just nerves.



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Old 05-06-2009, 08:56 PM   #83
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Talking to yerself sux.

I have mine jetted from UT, but live in Tucson (3000k feet lower) and its a HUGE PITA to kick. Get more exercise kicking the thing than I do riding it.

Anyone know jetting for these things?!

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Old 05-06-2009, 11:13 PM   #84
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I'm in tucson for a couple days and I've got my bike with me. Up for a ride?

If your jetting was good in Utah you should be able to figure it out here right? Just step down a couple sizes. My jet at 8000 was 165 in tucson its 175. So Why not take that math, and guess?
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Old 05-07-2009, 12:34 PM   #85
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I'm in tucson for a couple days and I've got my bike with me. Up for a ride?

If your jetting was good in Utah you should be able to figure it out here right? Just step down a couple sizes. My jet at 8000 was 165 in tucson its 175. So Why not take that math, and guess?
'Cause I haven't the foggiest a. where the jet(s) is(are), b. couldn't tell you what's in there now, and c. no clue how to work on carbs. I've pretty much had FI bikes.



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Old 05-08-2009, 07:32 PM   #86
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Got myself a banjo bolt with pressure sensor and some crush washers on order.

Got a Acerbis rear light/brake light today.

Startin from the back to the front, I'm gettin parts slowly but surely.



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Old 05-27-2009, 08:20 PM   #87
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ATK605 parts

Hey guys. A bit of a noob to these boards but I'm hoping to get some help from some ATK experts. Having trouble finding info anywhere online. I'm days away from possibly purchasing a '96 605DS with electric start. Seems like great deal, but lack of factory parts and aftermarket parts has got me a bit nervous. This bike has definitely been used for its purpose and is no garage queen. Appears to have been strictly used for off road. Owner claims it's mechanically sound, i'll find out at the test ride in a few days.

I have pics of the bike to show you but am having a bitch of a time posting them. Size, file type and everthing is okay. WTF, still no luck.

Any advice would be great.

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Old 05-27-2009, 08:26 PM   #88
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Welcome! FWI have seen, ATKs are built more or less like tanks. Plastics are an Acerbis set (IIRC) stock headlight was Baja Designs, stuff like chains and sprockets seem to be KTM compatible, etc.

There's some REAL experience here with the ATKs I'm learnin about em as I go. If you happen to talk to the dood, ask him if he's got an extra starter motor. I NEED one. My 605 is kick only.

If you haven't found it: ATK's forum

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Old 05-27-2009, 08:36 PM   #89
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Any advice would be great.
Yes, that's easy: find another bike. That one sounds totally hammered. It's probably only good for parts at this point.

Here's some comparison for you:
http://santabarbara.craigslist.org/mcy/1154337910.html
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/mcy/1160254868.html
http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/mcy/1190721185.html
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac...192089641.html
http://fresno.craigslist.org/mcy/1192518261.html
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/mcy/1168435503.html
http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcy/1160630142.html
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/mcy/1192447241.html

Well, that's all I could find in 10 minutes. If that doesn't change your mind, nothing will.
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:56 PM   #90
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+1 on finding a different bike. Sounds like that one is used like a $2 whore.
Did you try calling the Factory and see if they have headers in stock?
Painting an ATK tank generally doesn't work. It leaches gas vapors that will cause it to peel off.
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