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Old 03-30-2009, 06:17 PM   #76
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I tipped over. Nothing bad happened, and my motor didn't fall out or break in two.
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Old 03-30-2009, 06:44 PM   #77
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I tipped over. Nothing bad happened, and my motor didn't fall out or break in two.


I think we're back on topic now.
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Old 03-30-2009, 06:51 PM   #78
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Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure you'd know this F800Rob) but isn't Touratech the ones who make the crash bars for BMW?. So that kinda negates the Touratech is holier than thou (while charging an arm and a leg).
Touratech doesn't make them to my knowledge. The only thing that I know Touratech makes for BMW are the Adventure Panniers. That said, in this world now, who knows who makes what. I didn't know that Touratech outsourced manufacturing (to Holan for some parts) until mid-way through last year.

If I didn't work at a BMW dealer for the better part of a decade, and didn't see the import stickers from the EU, I'd say that everything is made in China by six year olds.

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Old 03-30-2009, 07:33 PM   #79
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I had a look at my wifes F800ST this afternoon and it does not have the mounting bosses on the engine at all. That means they were specifically put there on the GS for a reason. One would hope that they made them strong enough to withstand the forces of a fall. An all out crash might be different, but then there would also likely be significant damage elsewhere on the bike.
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Old 03-30-2009, 07:53 PM   #80
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I had a look at my wifes F800ST this afternoon and it does not have the mounting bosses on the engine at all. That means they were specifically put there on the GS for a reason. One would hope that they made them strong enough to withstand the forces of a fall. An all out crash might be different, but then there would also likely be significant damage elsewhere on the bike.
+1 Exactly.
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Old 03-30-2009, 08:33 PM   #81
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If I didn't work at a BMW dealer for the better part of a decade, and didn't see the import stickers from the EU, I'd say that everything is made in China by six year olds.



Don't suppose you've gotten the chance to test your Holans riding around your shop at 2mph, eh Griz?
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Old 03-30-2009, 09:25 PM   #82
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Don't suppose you've gotten the chance to test your Holans riding around your shop at 2mph, eh Griz?
My bike hasn't taken a nap yet after I've had the Holans on. I've been riding out doors lately, though.

Found some good gravel track south of the cities. A lot of fun.
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Old 03-30-2009, 10:56 PM   #83
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Wouldn't be the first time that BM has fugged up.
After all, it's to THEIR benefit when finishing up with cracked engine cases after a more serious hit.

Seems that only Wunderlich and Touratech got it right then.

I'm not an engineer, but a "flexible" (steel) long-leverage impact-item bolted to a more rigid /brittle Alum item spells trouble.... doesn't really need Einstein-quals, does it?

Time will tell, I guess...

(nb Not trying to stir the shit here, just thinking aloud...and from experience)
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:08 PM   #84
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Old 03-30-2009, 11:12 PM   #85
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Nice work you did on your other post, those crash bars look great, always nice to see some knowledgeable and experienced wrench's around, other than those that just spout off!!
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Old 03-31-2009, 04:42 PM   #86
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Just for reference and off topic I understand, But I went with the TT bars and they do not mount to any points on the engine. They use the footpegs and the same central frame mount everyone else does. Sorry, I don't have pics at present.
Yes, I purchased the touratech bars for the same reason, because they didn't bolt to the bottom engine casing. But haven't had the opportunity to put to test yet...
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Old 04-01-2009, 10:28 AM   #87
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Likely impact

To say that the only likely impact direction is sideways, rather than vertical, is at the very least, short-sighted. Sure, if your major use of them is dropping the bike on it's side. However, I can easily imagine (remember, really) riding situations where the vertical impact is more likely: riding over/around big fucking rocks, for one.
I do think, though, that with the other mounting points, it's more likely that you'll bend the piss out of the bars, like Rob speculated, than you'll rip a chunk out of your case.
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Old 04-01-2009, 06:41 PM   #88
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...I do think, though, that with the other mounting points, it's more likely that you'll bend the piss out of the bars, like Rob speculated, than you'll rip a chunk out of your case.
Exactly.
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Old 04-06-2009, 09:10 AM   #89
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Got a a chance to test the Holans, finally layed down my bike.

With the exception of a small scrape on the powder-coating of the bars, there are no bends or breaks anywhere. Nor are there any problems at the connection points to the engine. I am very pleased with the Holans so far.

Its also important to remember that the Holans have a pretty ingenious stress relief design:

From the F800Depot.com product listing: "In the lower section, the crash bar is attached to the motorbike via a special fastening system (included) where during a crash the force is carried to linking screws not directly to the block of the engine"




And let's be honest, aside from the dick-swinging competition prior. The brunt of the force is transferred to the frame by the upper connection points.

The Griz screwed with this post 04-06-2009 at 09:15 AM
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Old 04-06-2009, 09:15 AM   #90
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Thats good Griz. Now:

Rob to the yellow courtesy phone please:
Update on Holan shipments ?
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