ADVrider

Go Back   ADVrider > Bikes > Old's Cool > Airheads
User Name
Password
Register Inmates Photos Site Rules Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 05-04-2009, 08:19 AM   #61
bgoodsoil OP
Dare to be Stupid
 
bgoodsoil's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Location: Washington, DC, USA
Oddometer: 4,204
Where'd ya order them from? Prices? Shipping? PICS!?
__________________
'85 BMW r80G/S--Another G/S on the road--Central America on a Shoestring--Nova Scotia on a Shoestring--Never Leave a Man's Behind

Proud SmugMug User Support ADV: Don't give those cheap bums your discount code
bgoodsoil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2009, 08:34 AM   #62
bmwblake
upside down parker
 
bmwblake's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Location: nashville, tn
Oddometer: 3,274
i ordered them from motorcycle superstore. total for a set of the 700 series was 93 bucks. shipping took 5 days which isn't great but they shipped from oregon so i'm not complaining.
i'll get some pics tonight. i'm removing a set of maxxis 6006 in prep for a trip to some twisties. i like the 6006 but not in the wet or super twisties. the shinkos look like a good road tire with enough tread depth to still work well on gravel and such.


Quote:
Originally Posted by bgoodsoil
Where'd ya order them from? Prices? Shipping? PICS!?
bmwblake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2009, 05:16 PM   #63
bmwblake
upside down parker
 
bmwblake's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Location: nashville, tn
Oddometer: 3,274
here's the rear shinko mounted and sitting next to the old maxxis.






here's the front shinko (not mounted) next to the maxxis. the main difference is the shinko is not as aggressive but also a bit more rounded in profile.

bmwblake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2009, 02:28 PM   #64
bmwblake
upside down parker
 
bmwblake's Avatar
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Location: nashville, tn
Oddometer: 3,274
after spending about 1200 miles on the shinko's here are some initial thoughts.

pros:
very comfy in gravel. i had some fun on a washboard hill at about 45mph. lots of roost.
pretty good on the slab. i did 90 miles yesterday and they didn't complain. even in a huge rain on the slab they tracked wonderfully.


cons:
kinda suck for agressive pavement riding. i spent the weekend riding in north georgia. i'm not a hugely fast rider and i could outride these on pavement. i had to run about 5-10mph slower on GA60 than i would on tourances.

they hunt on chip seal worse than a maxxis 6006 does at 80mph. there's a section of rough chip seal on GA180 east of where it intersects 129. they were all over the place on that section of road.

rain and twisties. i got to ride wolf pen gap both directions 2x in various levels of rain. they dont push well when it's dry, and less so when it's wet.


all i can hope for now is that maybe they'll get really crappy mileage and i'll have an excuse to order different tires.
bmwblake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 03:58 PM   #65
krummholz
Gnarly Adventurer
 
krummholz's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2007
Location: Ballard, WA
Oddometer: 243
just wondering if anyone has tried these metzler karoo 2 mce on a r100gs
http://arizonamoto.com/Merchant2/mer...ory_Code=Karoo

Look like a poor mans TKC80. Mostly wondering about any fit issues ( I already have the K bike spacer). Of course any reviews are appreciated too.
-j
__________________
1989 BMW R100GS
1979 Vespa P200E

krummholz screwed with this post 06-12-2009 at 04:06 PM
krummholz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-12-2009, 04:11 PM   #66
Phreaky Phil
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: NEW ZEALAND
Oddometer: 1,669
Quote:
Originally Posted by krummholz
just wondering if anyone has tried these metzler karoo 2 mce
http://arizonamoto.com/Merchant2/mer...ory_Code=Karoo

Look like a poor mans TKC80. Mostly wondering about any fit issues ( I already have the K bike spacer). Of course any reviews are appreciated too.
-j
I havn't tried the rears but I believe they wear fast but we used the fronts (21inch) on our Alaska trip in conjunction with the TKC80 rears. This proved a good combination with both front and rear wearing at a similar rate. The front gave a good feel on and off road.
Phreaky Phil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2009, 09:35 AM   #67
krummholz
Gnarly Adventurer
 
krummholz's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2007
Location: Ballard, WA
Oddometer: 243
Phil, did you use it with a tube? Is it the straight metal valve that needs to be used for the GS?
thanks
-j
__________________
1989 BMW R100GS
1979 Vespa P200E
krummholz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2009, 01:07 PM   #68
Phreaky Phil
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Location: NEW ZEALAND
Oddometer: 1,669
Quote:
Originally Posted by krummholz
Phil, did you use it with a tube? Is it the straight metal valve that needs to be used for the GS?
thanks
-j
I havent had a Karoo on my GS. I had a 650 Dakar in Alaska. You can put a tube in the GS rims using an ordinary tube. You just use a ordinary/heavy duty straight valve tube. I have run Dunlop 606s and Pirelli MT21s with tubes on the GS. There is a Karoo T which is a tubeless tyre but it has a different tread pattern and I havent tried one. Some of the guys I ride with also use the Karoo front on the KTM990s
Phreaky Phil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-13-2009, 06:32 PM   #69
Beemerboff
Beastly Adventurer
 
Joined: May 2005
Oddometer: 2,210
I have heavy duty tubes in the tubeless tires my R100 GS - the tires actually run cooler with them in than without - maybe some folks are confusing putting tubes in radials with putting them in tubeless.

I just couldn't get the old GS rims to hold air , the spokes are starting to rust and the rims aint too true.

I have fitted a O ring seal to the valve stem so if I ever manage to puncture these things they should go down at the same speed as a tubeless.

I fit my own tires , and cut the old ones up with a angle grinder and slip them in the garbage ,to avoid the $7- tire fee at the dump.

This also lets me have a look at how the tires are constructed.

I tried Annekeys ,Scorpions and Tourances before settling on Mitas E08s, as they work best for me , and as a bonus are around half the price here in Oz.

Despite being half the price of the others they are the only ones where the manufacturer seems to have made any attempt to construct a proper all surfaces tire, with the number of layers of fabric varying from five at the bead , down to two in the sidewall then back up to four under the tread.

The others are no more than a crude dirt carcase with the same number of layers of fabric throughout, and a more road oriented tread.

Make me wonder why they are twice the price of dirt tires---------.
__________________
Adelaide Hills, Australia. 93 R100 GS, 77 R75/7 ,70 BSA B44VS, , 86 R80 G/S PD, 95 BMW Funduro F650 ST
Beemerboff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2009, 04:22 PM   #70
jimbee
Airhead Intermediate
 
jimbee's Avatar
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Location: Vancouver BC / Reno NV
Oddometer: 334
My 2 cents on my R100GS

Tourances - ran them to Guatemala and back. After 9,000 miles on mostly pavement and 50% two-up, they were ~80% done. Easily could have done another 1k miles and most likely 2k. Feel really sticky on the road - fun fun fun on the pavement

Just put on TKC's for a dualsport ride this weekend at Tahoe. WoW! Long sandy loose hill climbs were not an issue. These things blew me away on the singletrack at how well they let me keep a line (and the r100gs blew me away at its trailability - just needs more clearance!!!). On the hard, bit noisey and vibey, but hey, there's always a trade off.

So far, very happy with both these tires for what they are good at.
__________________
R100GS for going far, FZ1 for going fast, TE250 for getting dirty, and DR650 for when one of the others needs work
jimbee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 07:42 AM   #71
Gimmeslack
furthur
 
Gimmeslack's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: Shenandoah Valley
Oddometer: 2,462
Interestingly, my 86 G/S has stock 2.5 Akront rear.

So, the next obvious question, is whether I should run a wider tire than the often quoted 4.00-18? I wonder what would be the next wider size in a Sahara 3?

Does anyone know wherabouts of dimensional info for Metzler?

Quote:
Originally Posted by StephenB
Fitment is a whole different issue. I have started a thread a long time ago with actual measure values vs rim data:

Tire size
Make/Model
Tire Width [mm]
Rim size
140/80-17
Bridgestone BT45
140.00
2.50x17 (R100R)
140/80-18
Metzeler Enduro Sahara 3
140.00
KTM (?)
140/90-18
Mitas E 08
136.00
KTM (?)
130/80-17
Avon Gripster am24
143.00
2.50x17 (R100GS)
130/80-17
Metzeler Enduro Sahara 3
125.00
2.50x17 (R100GS)
130/80-17
Metzeler Tourance
130.00
2.50x17 (R100GS)
130/80-17
Michelin Anakee
130.00
2.50x17 (R100GS)
130/80-17
Metzeler Karoo 2
130.00
2.50x17 (R100GS)
4.00-18
Metzeler Enduro Sahara 3
113.00
2.15x18 (R80G/S)
4.50-18
KENDA 270
120.00
2.50x18 (R100GS custom)
120/100-18
Avon Gripster am24
125.00
2.15x18 (R80G/S)

The ones on this list obviously all fit without issues. Which isn't a guarantee for everybody else but a good indication. Whenever custom is mentioned it is safer to assume it won't fit to a stock bike.

I also found this website: U.S And Metric Tire Size Information Calculator

This is a start and could be extended if bgoodsoil would add it to the front page ...
__________________

"If you hold a cat by the tail, you learn things you cannot learn any other way."

Twain
Gimmeslack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 07:57 AM   #72
StephenB
G(/)S ... what else!
 
StephenB's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: Ontario
Oddometer: 2,046
Yes, rim size on the G/S was changed (in 1986 I think) to 2.50 x 18 but your wider than 4.00-18 tire still wouldn't clear swingarm or Ohlins. Besides, a 130 x 18 in either 70, 80 or 90 aspect ratio runs way to wide. I don't think it'll work at all.
I am running a 4.50 x 18 with 121mm (4.76in) width on a 2.50 x 18 X-lace rim @ 32PSI tire pressure and there are these odd rubbing sounds from time to time! A 120/90-18 already runs wider than a 4.50 x 18 (on paper). A 4.00-18 runs narrower than any of the two. Use this calculator for comparison: http://www.csgnetwork.com/tireinfo4calc.html

This goes back to what bgoodsoil said: we need actual measurements from everybody including tire pressure to come with a database of "what fits where".
__________________

Some of the above is fact, some is fiction, some is my personal imagination and some is just simple truth. [me]

... i'm not touring around the world, but neither are most of the guys i see running overloaded spam cans ... [bmwblake]

Stephen Bottcher
Ontario, Canada

'72 R75/5 The Blues

www.stephenbottcher.net
StephenB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 08:20 AM   #73
Gimmeslack
furthur
 
Gimmeslack's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: Shenandoah Valley
Oddometer: 2,462
Quote:
Originally Posted by StephenB
Yes, rim size on the G/S was changed (in 1986 I think) to 2.50 x 18 but your wider than 4.00-18 tire still wouldn't clear swingarm or Ohlins. Besides, a 130 x 18 in either 70, 80 or 90 aspect ratio runs way to wide. I don't think it'll work at all.
I am running a 4.50 x 18 with 121mm (4.76in) width on a 2.50 x 18 X-lace rim @ 32PSI tire pressure and there are these odd rubbing sounds from time to time! A 120/90-18 already runs wider than a 4.50 x 18 (on paper). A 4.00-18 runs narrower than any of the two. Use this calculator for comparison: http://www.csgnetwork.com/tireinfo4calc.html

This goes back to what bgoodsoil said: we need actual measurements from everybody including tire pressure to come with a database of "what fits where".
At first I thought the move to wider rim might have reflected desire to run a little bigger rear tire. If not, I wonder why...

I just realized that when I acquired the bike, it had Sahara 4's in 120/80-18 mounted. I don't believe they were rubbing. I actually have a another NOS Sahara 4 in my shed. Not sure I want to bother mounting it just to get the "real" dimensions though OTOH, I really ought to use it up
__________________

"If you hold a cat by the tail, you learn things you cannot learn any other way."

Twain

Gimmeslack screwed with this post 06-24-2009 at 08:29 AM
Gimmeslack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 08:35 AM   #74
StephenB
G(/)S ... what else!
 
StephenB's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: Ontario
Oddometer: 2,046
The Sahara 3's work fine, dunno about the 4's. Didn't even know they were available in skinny sizes!
__________________

Some of the above is fact, some is fiction, some is my personal imagination and some is just simple truth. [me]

... i'm not touring around the world, but neither are most of the guys i see running overloaded spam cans ... [bmwblake]

Stephen Bottcher
Ontario, Canada

'72 R75/5 The Blues

www.stephenbottcher.net
StephenB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2009, 08:45 AM   #75
Gimmeslack
furthur
 
Gimmeslack's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: Shenandoah Valley
Oddometer: 2,462
Quote:
Originally Posted by StephenB
The Sahara 3's work fine, dunno about the 4's. Didn't even know they were available in skinny sizes!
These are German made NOS Sahara 4's. Previous one cupped a bit and was pretty bad in mud, so I moved to the Sahara 3, which I like (although expensive and short-lived )
__________________

"If you hold a cat by the tail, you learn things you cannot learn any other way."

Twain
Gimmeslack is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Share

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

.
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


Times are GMT -7.   It's 06:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ADVrider 2011-2014