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Old 10-12-2013, 12:37 PM   #1
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SORRY. Dumb Oil Question

Is there ANY reason not to put synthetic oil in my 650? It has 5000 kilometres on it and I'm putting it to bed for the winter after it's oil change.
My wife's new Subaru came from the factory with full synthetic.
Again.....SORRY about the oil question.
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Old 10-12-2013, 12:51 PM   #2
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long story short: no. there is no good reason not to use it.
All the leaky stuff arguments happen over tens of thousands of kms, IF they happen.

Otherwise just read this thread and get paranoid :o)

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=483728
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Old 10-12-2013, 02:08 PM   #3
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Dino oil while the engine breaks in.

For the 650 singles "BMW Motorrad recommends not using synthetic oils for the first 10,000 km." (From the user manual)

I thought the same would apply in the F800/700/650. But, now that I look, there is no such reference in the F800 owners manual(s).

There is some pretty good info in the threads here. A good proportion of it is accurate. Good luck.

My F800 is up over 90,000km, so synthetic for me.
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Old 10-12-2013, 02:14 PM   #4
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Service guy told me 10000 kms. He said the rings would be better set by then.
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Old 10-12-2013, 03:50 PM   #5
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Pretty sure synthetic is recommended in all twins now, or at least a semi-synthetic.
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Old 10-12-2013, 04:43 PM   #6
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I was going to switch to full synthetic at about 4k miles on my new 8GS.
Sounds as though you'all think that's a little Early!!!!??????....
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Old 10-12-2013, 05:22 PM   #7
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Seating rings hasn't happened in 30 years...back when they were cast iron..

You can run synthetics from day one with ZERO difference in break in..it will not leak..and it will not consume more..

One of my GS's was an oil burner for 6-8000 miles..the next one, never used oil..the wife's 650 doesn't use a drop..all were switched at first oil change..600 miles. As was my F150..now with 205 k on it..and once a year oil changes..our new Jetta..my old Cummins..my old Power Stroke...all switched at first change...

All this sage advice from not switching until xxxx miles is from many moons ago..the new GS comes with synthetic in it..as do the majority of cars now days..it helps them meet cafe standards..

Next thing you'll hear, is, someone wants to change oil every 3-5000 miles and dump perfectly good oil..to replace with the same..never ceases to amaze me..
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Old 10-12-2013, 05:28 PM   #8
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LOL...... Ohhhh dear.....

(ps) ring seat happens in the first hard pulls.
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:50 PM   #9
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Seating rings hasn't happened in 30 years...back when they were cast iron..

You can run synthetics from day one with ZERO difference in break in..it will not leak..and it will not consume more..

One of my GS's was an oil burner for 6-8000 miles..the next one, never used oil..the wife's 650 doesn't use a drop..all were switched at first oil change..600 miles. As was my F150..now with 205 k on it..and once a year oil changes..our new Jetta..my old Cummins..my old Power Stroke...all switched at first change...

All this sage advice from not switching until xxxx miles is from many moons ago..the new GS comes with synthetic in it..as do the majority of cars now days..it helps them meet cafe standards..

Next thing you'll hear, is, someone wants to change oil every 3-5000 miles and dump perfectly good oil..to replace with the same..never ceases to amaze me..
This was advice from my bmw dealer. As was the break in procedure. I understand why you would be so blown away at my shear ignorange to modern mechanics, and really, I should feel quite foolish for not knowing that modern cylinders bores and rings are machined so perfectly that things like break in and following recomendations from specialists is purely ridiculous. Thanks for setting me straight.
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Old 10-12-2013, 11:05 PM   #10
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This was advice from my bmw dealer. As was the break in procedure. I understand why you would be so blown away at my shear ignorange to modern mechanics, and really, I should feel quite foolish for not knowing that modern cylinders bores and rings are machined so perfectly that things like break in and following recomendations from specialists is purely ridiculous. Thanks for setting me straight.
Wow..project much? I'm not assuming anything about you..it's your motorcycle and you should do whatever makes you comfortable.

You do realize that BMW itself claimed the final drives on '05-'06 GS's had "lifetime" oil in them, resulting in many broken, destroyed rearends..the same BMW that, in 2013, are incapable of devoloping a headlight circut that doesn't try to destroy itself..or simple switches that work.

I simply stated..that in a modern engine, there is no good reason not to run synthetics..and gave my reasoning..

If your dealer told you not to..why are you in here asking about it, then giving someone who gave their opinion, a ration of shit over it? Did you really just want everyone to reinforce what you already thought? Or..were you really not open to an opinion that differed from yours?

Good luck with it and enjoy miles of smiles..
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:49 AM   #11
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lol. It's all good man. Not to keep this going, but I was answering his question, not asking one. No biggie though.
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Wow..project much?
Now THAT was some funny chit!
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:39 AM   #13
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lol. It's all good man. Not to keep this going, but I was answering his question, not asking one. No biggie though.
Yeah..caught that later..we were both in reply to the OP....yet you singled out my opinion, because it didn't agree with your "specialist's" opinion..

I find it laughable people put so much stock in what BMW says..shock bolts, headlights, stators, final drives, driveshafts, wheel bearings..on going problems for years..incapable of fixing them and too, unwilling..yet..if they say something about oil it's if the spoken word of Jesus himself has showered down upon us..

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Old 10-13-2013, 09:20 AM   #15
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Well (if I can find it for less than 20$ a litre) it's getting 3 litres of Mobile 1 next weekend....or the weekend after that......or, the weekend after that...
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