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Old 04-19-2013, 11:43 AM   #10411
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What all the hoopla about side stands and the angles at which the bike sits?

This is how a real biker, John aka "Throttlemeister" parks his F650. Doesn't appear he has a problem.


Even though the lean angle is a little low, it works for him.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:58 AM   #10412
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Is this a good deal?

2005 bmw 650GS Dakar - $7000




Absolute mint 2005 650GS Dakar, with extras, panniers, bags, skid plate, racks, sprockets, upgraded pegs, Piaa off road lamps, and risers.....plus a lot more too. You will not find a nicer Dakar for sale anywhere period!, full service history all maintinence done and up to date. 35k, and an absolute dream to ride.


I went and took a look at it, it is in pretty nice shape...I don't know if I would call it mint but pretty good shape for an 8 year old bike. He is the 3rd owner. 7k for and 8 year old bike seems a little high to me, but I really don't know anything about these bikes. I asked how firm he was on the 7k and he said pretty firm. I said I was thinking more like 6k and he said the lowest he would go is 6800. What are your thoughts on this deal? what does a 2005 usually go for? Thanks for any and all info!
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:21 PM   #10413
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2005 bmw 650GS Dakar - $7000




Absolute mint 2005 650GS Dakar, with extras, panniers, bags, skid plate, racks, sprockets, upgraded pegs, Piaa off road lamps, and risers.....plus a lot more too. You will not find a nicer Dakar for sale anywhere period!, full service history all maintinence done and up to date. 35k, and an absolute dream to ride.


I went and took a look at it, it is in pretty nice shape...I don't know if I would call it mint but pretty good shape for an 8 year old bike. He is the 3rd owner. 7k for and 8 year old bike seems a little high to me, but I really don't know anything about these bikes. I asked how firm he was on the 7k and he said pretty firm. I said I was thinking more like 6k and he said the lowest he would go is 6800. What are your thoughts on this deal? what does a 2005 usually go for? Thanks for any and all info!
IMO, too much. I bought my 01 with 36k miles and no farkles for $3000 and the Sertao, brand new, is going for about $9000. Personally, I think between 5 and 6 thousand would be a fair price. It looks like a decent bike, but Ive seen quite a few in the 4-6 thousand range that were in about the same shape with similar add ons.
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Old 04-19-2013, 02:58 PM   #10414
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Ya, I was thinking between 5-6k would be fair but I don't think he will come down that far. remember this is in Canada so it is 35k km's not miles (about 21k miles)...and bikes are usually more expensive up here...but still...I think 7k is a bit much for this one...but I like it! :)
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Old 04-19-2013, 03:55 PM   #10415
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What all the hoopla about side stands and the angles at which the bike sits?

This is how a real biker, John aka "Throttlemeister" parks his F650. Doesn't appear he has a problem.


Even though the lean angle is a little low, it works for him.
Och, this post makes my back hurt...
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:01 PM   #10416
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Price is hard to nail down, the farkles are worth quite a bit. I passed on a bike in primo shape, guy wanted $6800 for it, same year as that one you posted. It was probably worth it, but it wasn't the paint scheme I wanted and I just didn't want to spend that much.

I ended up with my '03 Capt America bike with 25k miles on it and some simple farkles (bmw panniers, center stand, etc) for $4650.

That '05 has more farkles than mine and is newer, so it's certainly worth more than my bike...
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:25 PM   #10417
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Price is hard to nail down, the farkles are worth quite a bit. I passed on a bike in primo shape, guy wanted $6800 for it, same year as that one you posted. It was probably worth it, but it wasn't the paint scheme I wanted and I just didn't want to spend that much.

I ended up with my '03 Capt America bike with 25k miles on it and some simple farkles (bmw panniers, center stand, etc) for $4650.

That '05 has more farkles than mine and is newer, so it's certainly worth more than my bike...
I agree that price is tough to nail down. That bike in particular though I still say he wants too much. According to Kelley Blue Book (I just used my area to look) an 05 Dakar in Excellent condition has a suggested price of $4885. Those look like Happy Trails panniers which, if memory serves, go for about 600 or so for the kit with 2 panniers and the racks. Id guess at the farkles on that total out to around a $1000 give or take a little.

I didnt notice your location, oops. $7000cad is about $6800usd so I still think I wouldnt go over about 6k for that bike.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:28 PM   #10418
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I agree with GSBS. The footpeg bracket should incoperate with the sidestand.
I wanted to design a bracket to use with trailtech sidestand but question its strenght since it is design for lighter MX bikes. Or maybe i'm a cheap guy..
So i went to a local welder and spent the whole day explaning what I wanted..
Anyway like i wrote in my last post, i grind off the oem sidestand bracket. Weld an angle bar to the footpeg and reweld the side stand bracket to the new footpeg bracket..
The spring hardware is attach to the front metal stub with a groove made so the plate fit snugly. The rear was grind off...
Total cost was under 30 bucks.. you gotta love our asian labour cost..



Would it be possible to get a few more pics of that sidestand setup? Im thinking of doing the same thing. Wanted to see what the lean angle is like and about where the foot ends up in relation to the swing arm. Does it interfere at all with the centerstand foot? I dont have a centerstand yet, so I have no way to check if theyll interfere with each other.
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Old 04-19-2013, 04:52 PM   #10419
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I'd pay 5500.00 for that bike.... if he won't take less than 6800.00 keep looking. I watch the used bike market here in Alberta and B.C. and good deals come up but you have to be patient. Things like panniers and other farkles come up in the flea market on a regular basis for 1/2 of retail, all my stuff has been purchased used for my 07 including gear.
The bike new was only 9500.00, its 8 years old. My 07 has 77000kms and still runs strong.
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Old 04-19-2013, 06:45 PM   #10420
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Ya, I was thinking between 5-6k would be fair but I don't think he will come down that far. remember this is in Canada so it is 35k km's not miles (about 21k miles)...and bikes are usually more expensive up here...but still...I think 7k is a bit much for this one...but I like it! :)
Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't pay top dollar for any Dakar or F650GS that hadn't already had a front end conversion, either YZ or WP forks, etc.

Even it this one had it, I think the asking price is high.
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:02 AM   #10421
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What all the hoopla about side stands and the angles at which the bike sits?

This is how a real biker, John aka "Throttlemeister" parks his F650. Doesn't appear he has a problem.


Even though the lean angle is a little low, it works for him.
Brilliant
Just hope John, the real biker, has a strong back....

I too have used that method, but I prefere laying it on the other side to properly spread the battery acid evenly across its innards



There's always a better option than laying it down, but hey, I'm not a real biker I guess



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Och, this post makes my back hurt...
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Old 04-20-2013, 01:06 AM   #10422
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2005 bmw 650GS Dakar - $7000

Absolute mint 2005 650GS Dakar, with extras, panniers, bags, skid plate, racks, sprockets, upgraded pegs, Piaa off road lamps, and risers.....plus a lot more too. You will not find a nicer Dakar for sale anywhere period!, full service history all maintinence done and up to date. 35k, and an absolute dream to ride.

I went and took a look at it, it is in pretty nice shape...I don't know if I would call it mint but pretty good shape for an 8 year old bike. He is the 3rd owner. 7k for and 8 year old bike seems a little high to me, but I really don't know anything about these bikes. I asked how firm he was on the 7k and he said pretty firm. I said I was thinking more like 6k and he said the lowest he would go is 6800. What are your thoughts on this deal? what does a 2005 usually go for? Thanks for any and all info!
Rule of thumb;
Aftermarked add ons are wortless once mounted to a vehicle.

Like other have said, figure out the value of the bike without any extras and see how much he is really asking for the extras. I'f you are willing to pay that amount for them I guess he's nailed the value.
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Old 04-20-2013, 03:39 AM   #10423
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Lying it down

I seem to have plenty of those....

A couple of old ones.





Another alternative to using the sidestand.

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Old 04-20-2013, 03:22 PM   #10424
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Tried parking mine without the side stand too, what a fu*!ker to pick up! Actually I was just testing my gel battery............... yes really





road surface wasn't the best in that last one, honest

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Old 04-20-2013, 03:35 PM   #10425
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I seem to have plenty of those....

A couple of old ones.


Another alternative to using the sidestand.
Spotted your problem Daniel, the side stand is on the other side of the bike. You can thank me later if you like
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