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Old 04-16-2009, 10:49 PM   #61
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In the meantime my dealer got his hands on a new throttle tube from G2 eronomics http://www.g2ergo.com/shop/catalog/Street-4-1.html that provides more precision control off idle that he wants me to try. Unfortunetly no heated grips models yet.

Is it GS specific or did someone figure out the dimensions are the same for an Aprillia or something like that??
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:55 PM   #62
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I took a look at it, not much to it. Aluminum throttle tube with a circular wheel for the cable attachment. The groove in the wheel is eccentric to the center. Supposed to be 800 specific. $70. Looking at it it seems like the same could be done with the BMW throttle with a small file by flattening a spot on the wheel groove, but I would screw it up and the BMW replacement would be 3 times that amount .
No heated grip version, but I saw a stock grip and the heating element is one of those pads glued to the throttle tube, just like the aftermarket.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:00 AM   #63
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F800 stalling

Do the Canadian and UK bikes have the cannister? Maybe that's the difference?

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I just remembered another detail about riding in rain for extended periods with loss of power and stalling.
I have seen water pour out of my charcoal canister's drain tube numerous times. Once the day after a rainy ride while I was packing the bike about a cup of water (I checked) drained out. Other times were more random, but an equal amount of water. I have also opened up the air box to find water in it.

This was before I took my GS up to the intakes in a river if any of you saw that video of mine...
I'm not sure what it means, so I figured I'd throw it out to here what all the experts say.
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Old 04-17-2009, 12:33 PM   #64
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Thanks itsatdm. I actually thought of flattening it off myself, but decided I'd better not screw with it until a replacement was available. Been down that road one too many times...
And my bike has no canister: Canadian.
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Old 04-17-2009, 02:05 PM   #65
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How much do those canisters weigh, and how hard is it to remove?
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Old 04-17-2009, 09:18 PM   #66
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My experience with my 800GS stalling. I did a tire change and had the bike layed over on its side for most of the day. I went for a ride that evening and decided to test the stopping power of the new tires and ABS. After that it started to stall immediately after I performed the stopping maneuver and whenever I came to stops. It would start right up again but stall everytime I would pull clutch in. Let it sit for a few days and haven't had the problem since. My stalling was fuel related I am betting money on.
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Old 04-17-2009, 09:26 PM   #67
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Well said.

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Just for the sake of those who are considering a F800GS I'd like to say that mine has none of these issues. A slightly touchy off idle throttle, but nothing bad, and nothing tjat I didn't get used to after a few miles. So much gets built up on internet rumors that I just wanted to say that, at least on my bike, there are no issues. No stailling, runs fine in heavy rain and deep puddles, no clunks, nothing.
I'm going to shut up and ride now! :)
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Old 04-18-2009, 06:37 AM   #68
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Cannister?

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My experience with my 800GS stalling. I did a tire change and had the bike layed over on its side for most of the day. I went for a ride that evening and decided to test the stopping power of the new tires and ABS. After that it started to stall immediately after I performed the stopping maneuver and whenever I came to stops. It would start right up again but stall everytime I would pull clutch in. Let it sit for a few days and haven't had the problem since. My stalling was fuel related I am betting money on.
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:41 AM   #69
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Canister & sealing the plugs...

Here's a how-to on removing the (Charcoal emissions control) canister:

http://f800riders.org/HoW/showentry.php?e=49&catid=10

Also, while it might not fixt the stalling issue it can't be a BAD idea to put some of the special ignition system silicon base grease around the spark plug boots.

They sell it in little packets on the counters @ the auto part stores.
I bought a tube of it the size of a "travel sized toothpaste" at NAPA for a few bucks...

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Old 04-19-2009, 10:16 AM   #70
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I don't fully understand what removing the charcoal canister is solving here. Seems like a lot of work for no payoff other than harming the earth's atmosphere and ozone layer more than necessary. The thing's there for a good reason. I don't see how it is the cause of any of the issues we've discussed so far.

And even if water does get into the charcoal canister (as noted by ChiTown), how does that induce stalling?



Bottom hose goes to crank case, right hose and valve are from gas tank, and top hose is for venting. Water in the charcoal filter would stall the bike how??

http://www.answers.com/topic/charcoa...al-engineering

http://autorepair.about.com/cs/gener...bldef_104a.htm

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I don't fully understand what removing the charcoal canister is solving here. Seems like a lot of work for no payoff other than harming the earth's atmosphere and ozone layer more than necessary. The thing's there for a good reason. I don't see how it is the cause of any of the issues we've discussed so far.

And even if water does get into the charcoal canister (as noted by ChiTown), how does that induce stalling?



Bottom hose goes to crank case, right hose and valve are from gas tank, and top hose is for venting. Water in the charcoal filter would stall the bike how??

http://www.answers.com/topic/charcoa...al-engineering

http://autorepair.about.com/cs/gener...bldef_104a.htm
Charcoal canister should go to the throttle body/intake manifold.
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Old 04-19-2009, 10:43 AM   #72
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Charcoal canister should go to the throttle body/intake manifold.
That's the top hose I spoke of. That one goes to the throttle body to burn off gases. a.k.a. "venting"

And if water's getting into the charcoal filter it has to be from a disconnection of hose somewhere.
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Old 04-19-2009, 10:56 AM   #73
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That's the top hose I spoke of. That one goes to the throttle body to burn off gases. a.k.a. "venting"

And if water's getting into the charcoal filter it has to be from a disconnection of hose somewhere.
I am sure the concern is fuel getting into the can.... not necessarily water. I know when I had my bike layed on its side for most of the day and right after that the stalling issues happened. I can guarantee it was because fuel soaked into the can and made it not breathe? Either way when I let it sit for half a week it worked just fine and no stalling issues. I assume its because the fuel evaporated from the can.
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That's the top hose I spoke of. That one goes to the throttle body to burn off gases. a.k.a. "venting"

And if water's getting into the charcoal filter it has to be from a disconnection of hose somewhere.

No necessarily. The charcoal canister pulls vapors from the gas cap. If the cap area is letting water get into the line to the canister...
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Cannister

Cannister has caused poor running on other models if they were tipped over or overfilled with fuel so they certainly have caused problems in the past.
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