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Old 10-01-2012, 12:10 PM   #16696
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New Killbiy album up (mostly Landscapery) with some motorbike pics:

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Old 10-01-2012, 12:12 PM   #16697
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New Killbiy album up (mostly Landscapery) with some motorbike pics:

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Old 10-01-2012, 12:13 PM   #16698
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I finally took an MSF class and the instructors corrected me for this. I've now taken several more MSF classes, and all the instructors say the same, all four fingers should cover the handles.
they are not *correcting" you.

they are preaching the MSF dogma to you...some of them probably have some idea of why, some probably do not (other than "that's what the book says").

it's probably a good way to teach newbies how to ride a bike and not accidentally apply the throttle and front brake at the same time, etc.

but it is not the "correct" (or incorrect) way of doing things.

i can give you lots of reasons why an *experienced* rider should only use 1 or 2 fingers on the clutch and brake. i cannot give you any reasons why an *experienced* rider should use all 4 (unless, of course, riding a bike with such shitty front brakes or such a hard clutch pull that you need all 4--er actually 3 since the pinky doesn't add anything--to muster the required force)...though someone else might be able to.

at any rate, the point is...just because the MSF tells you "do it this way" does not mean that is the best way to do it. insisting that people do not cover the brake and clutch...and then use all 4 fingers when it comes time to use the brake or clutch...is just one of a few things them MSF probably gets right for newbies, but not for experienced riders.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:27 PM   #16699
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Folks are just going to have to accept that some of us have better fingers.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:27 PM   #16700
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they are not *correcting" you.

they are preaching the MSF dogma to you...some of them probably have some idea of why, some probably do not (other than "that's what the book says").

it's probably a good way to teach newbies how to ride a bike and not accidentally apply the throttle and front brake at the same time, etc.

but it is not the "correct" (or incorrect) way of doing things.

i can give you lots of reasons why an *experienced* rider should only use 1 or 2 fingers on the clutch and brake. i cannot give you any reasons why an *experienced* rider should use all 4 (unless, of course, riding a bike with such shitty front brakes or such a hard clutch pull that you need all 4--er actually 3 since the pinky doesn't add anything--to muster the required force)...though someone else might be able to.

at any rate, the point is...just because the MSF tells you "do it this way" does not mean that is the best way to do it. insisting that people do not cover the brake and clutch...and then use all 4 fingers when it comes time to use the brake or clutch...is just one of a few things them MSF probably gets right for newbies, but not for experienced riders.
MSF is for beginners, or riders who have a their share of street time but not enough sense, i.e. the "basic training" will do them good.

Honestly, my only complaint about MSF is if the coaches insist that not only is their way the only way, but it's the only way forever and for all time.

In my experience, I've never met a coach who does that, however. That's a strawman.

They all say, "This is what's best for beginners. Once you've got practice and more experience under your belt, there are other ways to do things, we encourage you to get advanced rider training to improve your skills."
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:44 PM   #16701
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I've now taken several more MSF classes, and all the instructors say the same, all four fingers should cover the handles. None, and I mean none, have ever been able to give me a reason why.

So, what is the importance of having all four fingers on the controls?
Not this shit again........


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Old 10-01-2012, 12:52 PM   #16702
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In my experience, I've never met a coach who does that, however.
i only took one MSF class (the ERC). i covered the brake and clutch and only used 1 or 2 fingers throughout the class. the coaches never mentioned it. (though they did mention not braking in turns and not letting off the rear brake once i locked up the rear wheel...which are two other areas in which i disagree with the MSF take on things *for experienced riders*.)

so, my (limited) experience mirrors yours with respect to fingers on the brake/clutch.

but there do seem to be some people who have different experiences...at least judging by posts on this forum.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:57 PM   #16703
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Do you also get thou panties in a twist when someone does a wheelie? The HORROR!


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Dost thou also get thy panties in a twist.

Sheesh.

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Old 10-01-2012, 01:04 PM   #16704
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Dost thou also get thy panties in a twist.

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Old 10-01-2012, 01:19 PM   #16705
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Take my former Tuono Factory out on the road and grab 4 fingers of front brake. Go ahead, I dare ya.
You'll either find yourself with a locked front wheel, not fun but recoverable, or upside down with the bike on top of you and your head facing back from whence you came. Can you say mouse trap?

Not all bikes require more than a very light touch on the brakes.

As to the original picture with the guy with the 1 finger on the clutch, maybe he rode a Bultaco road racer back in the day. At any rate, look how relaxed that gal is on the back of the bike, complete trust. Yeah, it would help him a bit if she leaned in a little more but, he might prefer that she just kept still on the back and let him handle the body English. He appears more than competent to me and to be riding well within his own and the bike's limits. Knee down really doesn't signify much. It is actually pretty easy to do at ridiculously slow speeds.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:28 PM   #16706
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And Who rides the Dragon during Summer months anymore, anyway? Other than Squids???

All I can think of is massive # of crashes, LEO, cagers, 18 Wheelers, etc.

While it is beautiful area (Yes I've ridden it - 12 yrs ago in Nov.)

America is a Big Beautiful country there's is many places to ride, but I guess U need that - "I Rode The Dragon" sticker
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:28 PM   #16707
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OK, Hijack over.

Thanks for all the input. Good to know I'm not crazy.
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:31 PM   #16708
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OK, Hijack over.

Thanks for all the input. Good to know I'm not crazy.
In all fairness, you ride a motorcycle, so you may not be the best judge of sanity, yours or anyone else's.
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:04 PM   #16709
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In all fairness, you ride a motorcycle, so you may not be the best judge of sanity, yours or anyone else's.
Well, I also jump out of airplanes, and I married a redhead.

I'm destined for the psych ward.....


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Old 10-01-2012, 02:09 PM   #16710
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He's pointing out the apex to his passenger.

...Orygunner...
I'm amused everyone ASSumes HE is showing HER something. Especially you- I'm sure you've had a certain blonde or two give you pointers.
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