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Old 04-28-2013, 08:31 PM   #20566
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Obviously you have never ridden a Buell.
And you don't know Yellow Wolf. Nor his Wing.

I doubt he'll respond to your sillyness.
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Old 04-29-2013, 02:47 AM   #20567
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I think Skyclad may be referring to the insane grab of the Buell ZTL2 front brakes. You haven't lived until you've grabbed a handful of front brake on a Buell with that setup. Hell, a finger of front brake can toss you over the handlebars. It almost worked too good.
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Old 04-29-2013, 04:37 AM   #20568
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I think Skyclad may be referring to the insane grab of the Buell ZTL2 front brakes. You haven't lived until you've grabbed a handful of front brake on a Buell with that setup. Hell, a finger of front brake can toss you over the handlebars. It almost worked too good.
Well it IS a Harley after all

And you're basically straddling the front tire on a Buell...

I measured my Husky next to a friend's Lightning, and his wheelbase was 6" shorter than mine!
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:39 AM   #20569
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And you don't know Yellow Wolf. Nor his Wing.

I doubt he'll respond to your sillyness.
While I have never met Yellow Wolf personally, I know who he is and the impressive things he can do with his Wing. In no way was I disparaging Wolf's ability.

However, if you have ever ridden a Buell, you would know that their rear brakes are not exactly powerful.
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:54 AM   #20570
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While I have never met Yellow Wolf personally, I know who he is and the impressive things he can do with his Wing. In no way was I disparaging Wolf's ability.

However, if you have ever ridden a Buell, you would know that their rear brakes are not exactly powerful.


i needed to put a smiley face there to let folks know i was kidding,lol
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Old 04-29-2013, 06:42 AM   #20571
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Obviously you have never ridden a Buell.
ROFL. Back around 2003 I demo'd a Buell (believe it was a "Lightning") and upon returning they asked me what I'd thought.

Conversation that followed went something like this:

ME: I think something is wrong with the rear brake.

THEM: Why?

ME: because it has ZERO stopping power whatsoever.

THEM: oh, that's because it's a "High Effort" brake.

ME: oh, seems the amount of effort it would take to induce braking would break the lever. I'm pretty sure I could get more stopping power by bending the lever into the asphalt. But hey, at least the front brake which is the one that counts is EXCELLENT.

THEM: yeah, thanks.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:45 AM   #20572
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so YOU are the one that caused the demise of buell? nice goin...
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ROFL. Back around 2003 I demo'd a Buell (believe it was a "Lightning") and upon returning they asked me what I'd thought.

Conversation that followed went something like this:

ME: I think something is wrong with the rear brake.

THEM: Why?

ME: because it has ZERO stopping power whatsoever.

THEM: oh, that's because it's a "High Effort" brake.

ME: oh, seems the amount of effort it would take to induce braking would break the lever. I'm pretty sure I could get more stopping power by bending the lever into the asphalt. But hey, at least the front brake which is the one that counts is EXCELLENT.

THEM: yeah, thanks.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:15 AM   #20573
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I hope this will provide $6 worth of entertainment. Bring it you FFs!

Catching up here. I am not sure you truly got your $6 worth.

OK..
1) as mentioned, dirty BMW!!!
2) Gloves don't match
3) What is that bag on the passenger pegs. BMW KGT riders can pack neater than that.
4) What fashion designer matched your tank bag to your helmet, bike, and hi viz?
5) You lost your chicken strips. seriously, you must save some as you ride a touring bike. Far too dangerous to push a big bike that hard. Bet you had the cruise set as well.
6) Your Vizor is OPEN. Do you know how much grit can ruin your eyes or imagine a yellow jacket flying in there thinking of mating.
7) Cup holder... really? REALLY? and then with a Full Face shield?
8) You are in the twisties, can't you at least put your feet up properly on the pegs... ah that bag on the rear peg is making it so you can't.
9) The stickers on your trunk aren't legible Get bigger ones so us not so younger ones can read em.
10) Brain tumors.. you know you are setting yourself up for brain tumors with all those gadgets on your helmet, let alone all the distractions they created for you when you are trying to use them

OK.. those are my 10. Hope that helps out!

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Old 04-29-2013, 09:24 AM   #20574
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Those yellow bags are Aerostich tank panniers. Never saw them used that way, though. They're handy on an unfaired bike.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:32 AM   #20575
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OK.. those are my 10. Hope that helps out!

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Old 04-29-2013, 09:36 AM   #20576
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:47 AM   #20577
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Those yellow bags are Aerostich tank panniers. Never saw them used that way, though. They're handy on an unfaired bike.
I bought them when I had an unfaired bike. They obviously won't fit over the faring on the GT. When I am in LD touring setup I toss them on the rear pegs and it adds a lot of useful storage space. I keep tools in one and other random stuff in the other.

It is true that they prevent me from properly putting my feet on the pegs for twisty riding. This trip to the Dragon was a spontaneous decision. I was riding from Austin to Boston (hence the LD setup) and realized I had the time to swing through. If I was out riding the twisties on a day trip, I would lose the tank panniers and the hard luggage.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:55 AM   #20578
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I bought them when I had an unfaired bike. They obviously won't fit over the faring on the GT. When I am in LD touring setup I toss them on the rear pegs and it adds a lot of useful storage space. I keep tools in one and other random stuff in the other.
Great idea!!

Keeps extra weight where it belongs, on the passenger seat & pegs.
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:05 AM   #20579
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While I have never met Yellow Wolf personally, I know who he is and the impressive things he can do with his Wing. In no way was I disparaging Wolf's ability.

However, if you have ever ridden a Buell, you would know that their rear brakes are not exactly powerful.
Which is why a number of guys have switched out to Ducati brakes in the back.
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Old 04-29-2013, 11:01 AM   #20580
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I am going to be a bit more generous in this instance. For riding a none sport bike he was doing a nice job of body position. Not hanging off but clearly getting his butt and torso over and for the most part his shoulders as well. Some earlier shots showed him nicely to the inside of the center line of the bike with upper arm extended and inside arm tucked.. In those series of curves they were becoming more like sweepers and the pace was increasing. I think he simply pushed too hard, ran out of ground clearance was on that arc of, things are scrapping and I can't turn more and that arc carried him off the road.

Corrections could have been done before the commitment to that line in the curve. Perhaps revs high enough that a simple roll off would have better controlled speed at entry and allow corrections easy enogh Once there perhaps he might have really hung off to get more turn effect without more lean, maybe also a bit of throttle to raise front a bit to gain a bit more lean, but once he was really at that late point in the trajectory I think he really didn't have many choices. If a bit earlier perhaps rolling off the throttle would have caused lost of clearance but if done early enough he would have scrubbed off enough speed to make his arc a decreasing one and maybe stay inside the white line.

To his fail
Just a little bit earlier as the pace was increasing I noticed he was running a bit wider on exits than he had when things were a bit slower. In this turn not a bad set up line but seems like ran wide of a normal line about the entire time with an apex in his arc a bit early even if he never came down close to the DYL. The guide rail here was perhaps a bit friendlier than a grill of a Buick had it been a right hander.

OK.. feet up here, glass of water on desk, leaning back.. my Thursday look back at someone else's fail. What did I learn?

Ride the pace I can ride, follow my lines, look through curve, better to late apex than early. Plan to exit mid lane to give myself some leeway. If I have been failing on those things, my pace is over the abilities I bring to bear.

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That was me on the HD. I was pushing the bike harder thant it was intended. I was also trying to stay away from the double yellow, as well as lean the bike as much as possible. I rubbed off about 1/4 inch from the bottom of my right side floor board, but on the left the kickstand touches before the floorboard, so I had to be wary of that. I did get my ass off the seat through turns, but in the end I was just carrying too much speed to make it without dragging hard parts. I knew I wouldn't make it, and the idea was to stand the bike upright and ride through the grass, then back on pavement, which has worked before.

Could my lines have been better? Yeah, but in flas ass Indiana there are no curves like these to practice on, and an 800 pound bike is a lot of work to push around like that.

I wasn't hurt, neither was the bike, and was righted and ridden the rest of the day.
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